3 Point Hitch Winches, tractor tire chains, etc..

[Vermonster]

Howdy,

Been away from the forum for some time now. Good to be back.

Bought a used 2000 New Holland TN70 4wd fairly recently (1034 hours). Trying to get some input on logging winches appropriate and affordable for this tractor.
Igland 3501 looks to be what I need, or perhaps not. It is under $3K new. Most of the firewood people I speak with are Farmi and Norse fans.
Seeing how Igland owns Norse and makes them, I'm somewhat baffled why Igland is not marketed and sought after as compared with the aforementioned brands.

Any assistance on 3-point winches appropriate for my tractor and tire chains would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks much, Carl

 

[dancan]

I've never come across someone biatchin about the brand of 3pt winch they own , I'm not sayin that they are all great but I think the ones we have here in NA are quality products and wouldn't loose any sleep about buying the cheapest one available to you .
The 3501 to the 5001 would all work .
Distributors and dealers make marketing , more hype usually means more money .

 

[sunfish]

I'd have a hard time spending that much on a winch!

I just skid logs out with the tractor and a 3 pt boom I made.

L3750DT & L3800DT Kubotas

 

[stihlonlynow]

Goto that auction coming up on 8/24 in your backyard. That's where I got my Farmi 501. My neighbor also has one and they are bulletproof. I had a wallenstien and it was a pos....almost killed me. Maybe I will see you there .

 

[dancan]

Goto that auction coming up on 8/24 in your backyard. That's where I got my Farmi 501. My neighbor also has one and they are bulletproof. I had a wallenstien and it was a pos....almost killed me. Maybe I will see you there .

Hey ! Lookit , someone not liking a brand , how/what happened ???

 

[hamish]

Everybody has there own likes and dislikes with any given product.

Most of the dislikes are directly porpotional to the competency of the operator.


They all do a great job. Take into account a tractor is not a skidder, working within there limitations they are great assets in the firewood game.

I have never bought anything thus far in my life that I would consider a POS, but then again I have the ability to read and have mechanical knowledge, and the added asset of being capable of destroying anything.

 

[stihlonlynow]

Hey ! Lookit , someone not liking a brand , how/what happened ???

It was very light duty. Being a fabricator and a structural designer I can say with certainty that it was not built very well....to be nice. Had very little structure compared to a Farmi . And the day it almost got me a spring that was inside it. Fell off ...somehow the cable got caught in the clutch line and it ripped it out of my hand and then wouldn't stop.....ended up pulling my tractor off the skid road and cutting the skidding cable in several places. Wasn't long after that it went down the road.my Farmi is the toughest thing I have seen and. I have owned it and used it five times more than the wally. You couldn't give me one.....well you could but I would sell it. I am a very competent operator. Having grown up on my grandfathers farm I have been running and working on equipment for over thirty years. The machine was brand new. Due to a design flaw it almost killed me. My dealer wouldn't even look at it. The hole deal left me soured about the brand to say the least. Don't believe everything you read nor assume its always the operators fault. Mechanical equipment does fail....its not all created equal....thats why we have mechanics and service stations. And a very few solvent equipment manufacturers in North America.
Why is it illegal to not like something here?

 

[stihlonlynow]

Howdy,

Been away from the forum for some time now. Good to be back.

Bought a used 2000 New Holland TN70 4wd fairly recently (1034 hours). Trying to get some input on logging winches appropriate and affordable for this tractor.
Igland 3501 looks to be what I need, or perhaps not. It is under $3K new. Most of the firewood people I speak with are Farmi and Norse fans.
Seeing how Igland owns Norse and makes them, I'm somewhat baffled why Igland is not marketed and sought after as compared with the aforementioned brands.

Any assistance on 3-point winches appropriate for my tractor and tire chains would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks much, Carl

Hey Carl,

If you want to come see my Farmi I could put it on and go pull some logs. There are a few trees around here that need to go into the woodpile anyway. I can also take you down the road 1/2 mile and show you a well used farmi 501. We run them on 75-80 HP 4wd tractors without tire chains. The winches will pull more than the tractors on snow. It is the right size for the tractor....I wouldn't want any smaller....nor bigger. It is quite flat here in the Champlain valley. We are just around the corner 8miles from the bridge. If you want to come over pm me.

 

[jbos333]

Here's my setup. Very happy with the winch. Bought it used- its a V4000 Fransgard.View attachment 309802

 

[nathon918]

It was very light duty. Being a fabricator and a structural designer I can say with certainty that it was not built very well....to be nice. Had very little structure compared to a Farmi . And the day it almost got me a spring that was inside it. Fell off ...somehow the cable got caught in the clutch line and it ripped it out of my hand and then wouldn't stop.....ended up pulling my tractor off the skid road and cutting the skidding cable in several places. Wasn't long after that it went down the road.my Farmi is the toughest thing I have seen and. I have owned it and used it five times more than the wally. You couldn't give me one.....well you could but I would sell it. I am a very competent operator. Having grown up on my grandfathers farm I have been running and working on equipment for over thirty years. The machine was brand new. Due to a design flaw it almost killed me. My dealer wouldn't even look at it. The hole deal left me soured about the brand to say the least. Don't believe everything you read nor assume its always the operators fault. Mechanical equipment does fail....its not all created equal....thats why we have mechanics and service stations. And a very few solvent equipment manufacturers in North America.
Why is it illegal to not like something here?

its perfectly fine to not like something here....as long as its not a product of a site sponsor...
also dont even dare to like something that competes with a sponsor's product... :chatter:oke:

 

[hamish]

It was very light duty. Being a fabricator and a structural designer I can say with certainty that it was not built very well....to be nice. My dealer wouldn't even look at it. The hole deal left me soured about the brand to say the least. Don't believe everything you read nor assume its always the operators fault. Mechanical equipment does fail....its not all created equal....thats why we have mechanics and service stations. And a very few solvent equipment manufacturers in North America.
Why is it illegal to not like something here?

As a fabricator and structural designer why did you purchase it then?

Your Farmi came with a CE certification didn't it?

Somehow..............well as a fabricator and structural designer......you should have used the words x part failed, imploded, fractured...........what have you.

Glad you like your Farmi!

 

[Steve NW WI]

its perfectly fine to not like something here....as long as its not a product of a site sponsor...
also dont even dare to like something that competes with a sponsor's product... :chatter:oke:

That sounds a lot like complaining about moderation. A meaner mod might give you an infraction for saying that.

Lots of sponsors' products get less than favorable reviews here, heck there are times that feedback from this site directly leads to improvements.

Dude who's post got edited, and then spouted off again, was a troll, no more, no less.

Nathon, feel free to PM me if you have a problem with how I do my job, and I'll do my best to explain my point of view. Public #####ing does little to no good for anyone.

Sorry for the derail guys, now back to tractors, winches, and chains.

For the MFD guys like the OP, are chains preferred on front, rear, or all around? I've just got two wheelers here.

 

[stihlonlynow]

chains on a MFWD

I would only put chains on the rear of my mfwd if they were necessary. My reason for this is that the clutch that drives the front is much lighter duty than the main drive clutch. It is a wet clutch and I have slipped it in the past. I am not sure about how the front is clutched on a TN70. Has anyone run chains on the front of mfwd full size farm tractor?

 

[nathon918]

That sounds a lot like complaining about moderation. A meaner mod might give you an infraction for saying that.

Lots of sponsors' products get less than favorable reviews here, heck there are times that feedback from this site directly leads to improvements.

Dude who's post got edited, and then spouted off again, was a troll, no more, no less.

Nathon, feel free to PM me if you have a problem with how I do my job, and I'll do my best to explain my point of view. Public #####ing does little to no good for anyone.

Sorry for the derail guys, now back to tractors, winches, and chains.

For the MFD guys like the OP, are chains preferred on front, rear, or all around? I've just got two wheelers here.

steve i understand that sponsers on here dont want people saying bad things about their stuff, or talking about non sponser products.
but if you have people saying a certain companys product is better than what happens to be a sponser's product, then the sponser (should) like that since it means their product is lacking/needs improvment, nones going to buy youre product if a competitor's product is better...

even if the guy was a troll, its doesnt change the fact that theres so many different manufactures of products in the firewood industry, that its impossible for people to only talk about the very few manufactures that happen to be sponsers, this is afterall a public forum for firewood,heating, and wood burning EQUIPMENT! competition isnt a bad thing, it keeps the prices in check, and causes manufactures to improve their products...

 

[sunfish]

For the MFD guys like the OP, are chains preferred on front, rear, or all around? I've just got two wheelers here.

I run R-1 Ag tires on my two 4wd tractors. R-4 industrial tires are worthless in the woods here when the ground gets wet! Don't need chains most of the time, but when I do they go on the back only! The front end on most tractors is too light to do most of the pullin, or carry most of the load. I want the rear tires to do most of the work.

 

[hamish]

Chains are nice on the front to aid in steering so your not constantly steering with the brakes. Dependant upon the aggressiveness of your chains and terrain, brake steering can be a real nightmare.

 

[Vermonster]

Thanks for all the replies fellas. My tractor came with industrials, not Ag tires. But it was a good buy for the price, after speaking with my local dealer prior to the purchase from a horse farm estate (Craigslist NH). This tractor had never seen the woods before I bought it. Nothing but field duty.
I'll contact New Holland (local dealer (CVE)) about whether or not it's a good idea to put chains all the way around. When things get greasy, these industrial tires suck to tell you the truth.
I'm still up in the air and sniffing around about winches, but I'm sure that having 165'+ of cable would make harvesting much easier than having to back the rig right up to the stumps.


Thanks again for you responses, Carl

 

[stihlonlynow]

steve i understand that sponsers on here dont want people saying bad things about their stuff, or talking about non sponser products.
but if you have people saying a certain companys product is better than what happens to be a sponser's product, then the sponser (should) like that since it means their product is lacking/needs improvment, nones going to buy youre product if a competitor's product is better...

even if the guy was a troll, its doesnt change the fact that theres so many different manufactures of products in the firewood industry, that its impossible for people to only talk about the very few manufactures that happen to be sponsers, this is afterall a public forum for firewood,heating, and wood burning EQUIPMENT! competition isnt a bad thing, it keeps the prices in check, and causes manufactures to improve their products...

That is exactly what the pm that I sent Steve yesterday said. Isn't first hand knowledge from people willing to share it what made this site so great? I wasn't the troll I was trolled. What is the difference between someone saying Stihl is better than Husky or vice versa.
Anyhow after going to the Boonville NYS woodsman days yesterday I can say that the Wallenstien winches are now built a lot better than they were ten years ago when I had mine. I didnt do any calculations but the improvements that they have made to the structure of the winch are extenaive.I do however not like how the fairlead system is. It looks similar to the one that failed on mine. The fairlead roller and the cable are very close to the rope that operates the clutch.

 

[dancan]

Hopefully Turkeyslayer will see the thread , I'm thinking he has a Wallenstien and has pulled miles of cable with it .

 

[sunfish]

Thanks for all the replies fellas. My tractor came with industrials, not Ag tires. But it was a good buy for the price, after speaking with my local dealer prior to the purchase from a horse farm estate (Craigslist NH). This tractor had never seen the woods before I bought it. Nothing but field duty.
I'll contact New Holland (local dealer (CVE)) about whether or not it's a good idea to put chains all the way around. When things get greasy, these industrial tires suck to tell you the truth.
I'm still up in the air and sniffing around about winches, but I'm sure that having 165'+ of cable would make harvesting much easier than having to back the rig right up to the stumps.


Thanks again for you responses, Carl

R-4 industrial tires are fine for mowing and working in dry conditions. If it were mine I'd get some Ag tires on there ASAP.