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The not-so-difficult to run EPA stove
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Part of our state's law. Don't move here.
WAC 173-433-100 Emission performance standards.
(1)
Woodstoves. On or before January 1, 1995, a person shall not
advertise to sell, offer to sell, sell, bargain, exchange, or
give away a new woodstove in Washington unless it has been tested
to determine its emission performance and heating efficiency and
certified and labeled in accordance with procedures and criteria
specified in "40 CFR 60 Subpart AAA - Standards of Performance
for Residential Wood Heaters" as amended through July 1, 1990.
After January 1, 1995, woodstove sales shall comply with the
requirements of subsection (3) of this section, Solid fuel
burning devices.
(2) Fireplaces. After January 1, 1997, a person shall not
advertise to sell, offer to sell, sell, bargain, exchange, or
give away a factory built fireplace unless it meets the 1990
United States Environmental Protection Agency standards for
woodstoves or equivalent standard that may be established by the
state building code council by rule. Subsection (3) of this
section shall not apply to fireplaces, including factory built
fireplaces, and masonry fireplaces.
(3) Solid fuel burning devices. After January 1, 1995, a
person shall not advertise to sell, offer to sell, sell, bargain,
exchange, or give away a solid fuel burning device in Washington
unless it has been certified and labeled in accordance with
procedures and criteria specified in "40 CFR 60 Subpart AAA -
Standards of Performance for Residential Wood Heaters" as amended
through July 1, 1990, and meets the following particulate air
contaminant emission standards and the test methodology of the
United States Environmental Protection Agency in effect on
January 1, 1991, or an equivalent standard under any test
methodology adopted by the United States Environmental Protection
Agency subsequent to such date:
(a) Two and one-half grams per hour for catalytic
woodstoves; and
(b) Four and one-half grams per hour for all other solid
fuel burning devices.
(c) For purposes of this subsection, "equivalent" shall mean
the emissions limits specified in this subsection multiplied by a
statistically reliable conversion factor determined by ecology
that relates the emission test results from the methodology
established by the United States Environmental Protection Agency
prior to May 15, 1991, to the test results from the methodology
subsequently adopted by that agency.
[Statutory
WAC 173-433-100 Emission performance standards.
(1)
Woodstoves. On or before January 1, 1995, a person shall not
advertise to sell, offer to sell, sell, bargain, exchange, or
give away a new woodstove in Washington unless it has been tested
to determine its emission performance and heating efficiency and
certified and labeled in accordance with procedures and criteria
specified in "40 CFR 60 Subpart AAA - Standards of Performance
for Residential Wood Heaters" as amended through July 1, 1990.
After January 1, 1995, woodstove sales shall comply with the
requirements of subsection (3) of this section, Solid fuel
burning devices.
(2) Fireplaces. After January 1, 1997, a person shall not
advertise to sell, offer to sell, sell, bargain, exchange, or
give away a factory built fireplace unless it meets the 1990
United States Environmental Protection Agency standards for
woodstoves or equivalent standard that may be established by the
state building code council by rule. Subsection (3) of this
section shall not apply to fireplaces, including factory built
fireplaces, and masonry fireplaces.
(3) Solid fuel burning devices. After January 1, 1995, a
person shall not advertise to sell, offer to sell, sell, bargain,
exchange, or give away a solid fuel burning device in Washington
unless it has been certified and labeled in accordance with
procedures and criteria specified in "40 CFR 60 Subpart AAA -
Standards of Performance for Residential Wood Heaters" as amended
through July 1, 1990, and meets the following particulate air
contaminant emission standards and the test methodology of the
United States Environmental Protection Agency in effect on
January 1, 1991, or an equivalent standard under any test
methodology adopted by the United States Environmental Protection
Agency subsequent to such date:
(a) Two and one-half grams per hour for catalytic
woodstoves; and
(b) Four and one-half grams per hour for all other solid
fuel burning devices.
(c) For purposes of this subsection, "equivalent" shall mean
the emissions limits specified in this subsection multiplied by a
statistically reliable conversion factor determined by ecology
that relates the emission test results from the methodology
established by the United States Environmental Protection Agency
prior to May 15, 1991, to the test results from the methodology
subsequently adopted by that agency.
[Statutory
How friggin' typical and ideological is that statement??
The house didn't burn down because of the stove... that's flat stupid‼
The house burned down because the person using it screwed up... inanimate objects can not "do" something, they are entirely dependent on the person using them.
That's like trying to claim a gun, in and of itself, is dangerous... it's just laying there, how is that dangerous?? It ain't the gun that's dangerous, but sometimes the person holding it is‼ The friggin' stove didn't burn the house down... the idiot user did‼ Move into the real world already‼
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Yep that was the person not the stove, this thread is getting goofy.
Thanks for making my point slowp, the new EPA regs would supersede current Washington State regs.
Your current regs qualify under the phase one 2015 standards, but not the 2019 standards which call for 1.3 per hour, for all stoves.
Which is much, much stricter than what you have now.
As I said, your stove you love so much becomes worthless iron... maybe not in 2015, but definitely by 2019.
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brenndatomu
Hey you woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!
So, what's that like?
That's gotta hurt don't it?
brenndatomu
Hey you woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!
That's kinda what I'm thinkin, but readin it in the context of his reply, it kinda sounded like he's a lookin foward to it!
We got 'em on both end of the spectrum in this thread , ones thats ****less, and ones thats ****full, and everything in between!
First of all Del_, that is a catalytic stove designed and built solely to win a competition.
And even the maker Morrissey says, "It's a complicated stove that we needed to simplify down to its main components".
Yeah, that's what I want... complicated (read damn expensive to maintain). Pretty damn doubtful any retail version would perform near like that one-of-a-kind.
It says up to 82% efficiency and as little as 0.54 g/hr of particulate emissions in EPA testing, but then goes on to say, "The Wood Stove Decathlon does not plan to make its own test data public for concerns it would confuse customers attempting to compare it to EPA and other data."
Personally, I'm reading that as meaning the real world didn't get the same result. Heck, the EPA rated my PE at 83% and it ain't even got a cat.
I wouldn't give up too much $h!t to that tickle yet, your likely get it back... thrown right in your face.
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And even the maker Morrissey says, "It's a complicated stove that we needed to simplify down to its main components".
Yeah, that's what I want... complicated (read damn expensive to maintain). Pretty damn doubtful any retail version would perform near like that one-of-a-kind.
It says up to 82% efficiency and as little as 0.54 g/hr of particulate emissions in EPA testing, but then goes on to say, "The Wood Stove Decathlon does not plan to make its own test data public for concerns it would confuse customers attempting to compare it to EPA and other data."
Personally, I'm reading that as meaning the real world didn't get the same result. Heck, the EPA rated my PE at 83% and it ain't even got a cat.
I wouldn't give up too much $h!t to that tickle yet, your likely get it back... thrown right in your face.
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Keep in mind he's also anti-gun and thinks guns kill
"He" is a "she".
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He, she, it, whatever. But knowing it's a she makes sense now
Yes indeed.He, she, it, whatever. But knowing it's a she makes sense now
I remember reading a 2012 list of EPA certified stoves - and there were some non-catalytic stoves that met the proposed 1.3 grams/hr emissions. Wood stoves already installed or for sale are not affected by the regulations, the EPA announced in early January.
I'd like to see that... do you remember where you found it??
Seems like I saw a list of appliances meeting the phase one 2015 standard of 4.5 grams/hr, but I an't seen anything on approved appliances meeting 2019 standards... although I do know some cats can get that low.
How is that different than what I've already posted??
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Steve NW WI
Unwanted Riff Raff.
Here's your list: http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/publications/monitoring/caa/woodstoves/certifiedwood.pdf
Just going through the first couple pages, I'm only finding fairly small stoves (>30,000 btu), and almost all of em cat units, that are under 1.5. I'll let someone else analyze the whole list. FWIW, my new stove will be a "smoke dragon" by 2019, at 3.9g/h.
While I'm here, I'll mention that I actually have a little spare time on my hands on weekends, don't make me spend it deleting posts and handing out warnings. Play nice, people.
Just going through the first couple pages, I'm only finding fairly small stoves (>30,000 btu), and almost all of em cat units, that are under 1.5. I'll let someone else analyze the whole list. FWIW, my new stove will be a "smoke dragon" by 2019, at 3.9g/h.
While I'm here, I'll mention that I actually have a little spare time on my hands on weekends, don't make me spend it deleting posts and handing out warnings. Play nice, people.
You guys are aware that the new regulations also change the testing procedure... right??
Don't remember exactly without looking it back up... but it revises the '88/'90 procedure allowing them to fail the "low" burn if they can pass the higher burn some number of times. Previous test results may not qualify... depending on how they passed it.
I guess I'm not seeing where that says any of them qualify under the new standards?
Not that some don't, but some on that list with a certain particulate emission using the old test procedure may not qualify under the new procedure... they will need to re-certify using the stricter, narrower test procedure (again, depending on how they passed the old tests).
Anyway... that's the way I read the new regulations. (shrug)
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Don't remember exactly without looking it back up... but it revises the '88/'90 procedure allowing them to fail the "low" burn if they can pass the higher burn some number of times. Previous test results may not qualify... depending on how they passed it.
I guess I'm not seeing where that says any of them qualify under the new standards?
Not that some don't, but some on that list with a certain particulate emission using the old test procedure may not qualify under the new procedure... they will need to re-certify using the stricter, narrower test procedure (again, depending on how they passed the old tests).
Anyway... that's the way I read the new regulations. (shrug)
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Steve NW WI,
You need to send me your cellular number, e-mail address, and any other way to get hold of you while vacationing.
You know?? Just in case any of these guys act-up, so I can let ya' know right away.
You can trust me... I'll keep a sharp I on 'em.
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You need to send me your cellular number, e-mail address, and any other way to get hold of you while vacationing.
You know?? Just in case any of these guys act-up, so I can let ya' know right away.
You can trust me... I'll keep a sharp I on 'em.
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"While the new NSPS may reflect the status quo in many states in the near future, it could become far stricter for both stoves and boilers. In 2019, the test method for measuring stove emissions could change, for example, from averaging four burn rates to using only the highest or lowest burn rate (depending on which one the stove has the hardest time passing). Some in the industry think this standard will be a death-blow for stove manufacturers. Other experts say it will be achievable, but the stoves that will be made may not be as appealing to consumers. - See more at: http://forgreenheat.blogspot.com/20...tegy-again-will-now.html#sthash.Q5skh3Np.dpuf"
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