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I plan on running a mix of 87 e free and 1 with sunoco 110 and check temps as I know Mustang has wondered on that idea for awhile now. Personally I dont think the high octane reacts the same in these shorter 2 strokes as they do in the longer stroked motors.
 
I think the 110 will burn cooler as it has a slower burn rate to start with and isnt gonna burn completely in these short 2 strokes and especially with advanced timing?
 
The 87 with advanced timing is gonna be a hotter more complete burn per intake charge or at least thats the way im thinkin
 
The same way it compensates for all variables. It simply tunes for max RPMs in the cut. In that manner, it can tune for temperature, humidity, fuel, dirty filter, elevation.....
So Brad with the high octane, say 110 which is gonna burn slower, it would sense a rich condition and compensate?
 
The higher the octane, the more resistant to ignition it is. You want to run the lowest octane you can. Any more than that will theoretically make less power. In the real world, you'll see VERY little difference.
Yes I remember when Chad used high and low on the dyno the 87 produced more power but Mustang is more interested in temperatures. Im thinkin on mtronics it will adjust for either and run the same temp but on a reg. Carb saw if not adjusted for it will make a difference?
 
Lower temps doesn't mean better. Heat makes power.
I buy that!! Thats why I know the lower octane ignites quicker, more volatile, and burns with more heat and more completely with less out the exhaust. Brad wheres the best place to check temp on the saw with a handheld temp gun?
 
Probably the exhaust port or head. I think you're going to have trouble controlling variables enough to get accurate results. I could be wrong
Its new to me Brad but Mustang ask once before if I would do that when I was testing octanes and it slipped my mind. Laslab and I will have a cut here in a week or two and play around with chains and temps. Should be fun
 
Your going to see VERY little performance difference with most any reasonable fuel choice. The only reason to go with canned oil is for extended service life, or if you have a problem with ethanol. All fuel around here has ethanol and I've had almost no trouble with it. However, I do like the piece of mind of e-free fuel when I can get it.
 
while y'all are talking about octane differences, I'm trying to figure out what I need to run in a ported saw. I know it is recommended to run 93 e-free in stock saws, but I'm having a hard time finding that around my area. So far the closest I can find 93 e-free is a town away - about 30 miles. I have access to 87 e-free in town but I'm assuming that I should run at least mid-grade e-free. I know what problems ethanol causes as I have had to replace fuel lines and such because of it, and have been running the 87 e-free in my saws lately and they seem to do fine with it, but I haven't even gotten my ported saw back yet and want to make sure I don't hurt it by running something I shouldn't. what say you?
 
while y'all are talking about octane differences, I'm trying to figure out what I need to run in a ported saw. I know it is recommended to run 93 e-free in stock saws, but I'm having a hard time finding that around my area. So far the closest I can find 93 e-free is a town away - about 30 miles. I have access to 87 e-free in town but I'm assuming that I should run at least mid-grade e-free. I know what problems ethanol causes as I have had to replace fuel lines and such because of it, and have been running the 87 e-free in my saws lately and they seem to do fine with it, but I haven't even gotten my ported saw back yet and want to make sure I don't hurt it by running something I shouldn't. what say you?
By all means the 87 e free!
 
Any of these guys that have tried to get an insecticide shot a about 10 more feet into the canopy
by boosting the input pressure, only to have your spray stream break up as you increase the pressure, will have an idea
of how the transfer shapes will affect the the scavenging. figure your medium that's being driven through the tunnel, what's the relative pressure where it exits?
The bug spry stream breaks up from the all of that extra energy just pushing outwards. in all directions.

you can get into that stream flow conditioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_conditioning
and help somewhat.

About Nozzle shape accuracy.
Ever tried to use a nozzle that someone dinged the end of? or reamed out with a drill bit or tip cleaner and now it sprays like a thumb over garden hose?
Or just has that little spritzy, kinda sidwies bit of liquid.
Kind of like having a tiny piece of trash in your (syphon type) paint gun.
You know how it just makes that crappy overspray off the side
and maybe a little sputtery dribble.

if it's a little worse of a bugger in the tip,then that sputzer bit almost wants to run back on the nozzle, instead.
maybe blowing a splattery, splotchy, kinda hard to get it all the cross that hood or whatever your painting.
Versious a nice smooth spray stream that you can send out in a nice predictable pattern and put it where you want it.

Now what if your goofy cousion is running the gun and doesn't belive in pouring through a filter?
And then next thing sets the gun down in the sun and He takes a lunch run
and decides to make a parts run also.

Well by time he gets back, the paint 's sorta gummed in the ol' nozzle again.
Bit too dry to pick out with a twig or matchstem.
Ahhh but here lays a little bitty nail and he thinks:
" there aint no way it's gonna hurt that old paint nozzle"

Well now the nozzle has sort of strait part in the hole that's still about
like the factory drilled it.
But he was was holding the nozzle in left hand and just ended up scraping on the right side of the hole, just tad more.

Well now, puts it back together and left side kinda sprays OK still.
the right side now is almost like it's about 15~20 degrees wider pattern
And got that kinda pissy like sorta throwing droplets in with the fine spray.


Well now you might see a bit of why I squawk about radius conditions and those little cutter wiggles
Aint just the ring hammering aspect that's on my mind.
Go back and look a the wash patterens on the domes, find that tiny swirl and start looking upstream.
There are several reasons to use the dental mirror and smooth those tunnel countors.

I'm trying to make some analogies here. I think if I can figure out some things that poeple can see and do, in other areas of your work or life,
Might be easier to catch on
and have that moment when what the portmasters are laying down for us,
begins to to morph into something the finaly makes sense to us.

= = =
But then again, It may just be that all of ya, should put me in a block list
untill the rest of this knee dope wears off of me !!

Nice post. :)

Can you set a saw down by the woodpile, or will that hound dog put a marking on it too?

If he can't F it.......he pisses on it.

What size bar where you running there randy

28"

Lower temps doesn't mean better. Heat makes power.

I agree 110%

By all means the 87 e free!

I agree again.
 

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