Which 60cc saw

[Stihl 041S]

The big monster uses a different B&C???

When I head to NH I can bring one by and you can try it.
You are out of the way on the northern NY road trip.

 

[MustangMike]

I'm about 2 minutes off of Rte 84 if you got that route.

Thanks for the info, learn something every day!

 

[Stihl 041S]

I'm about 2 minutes off of Rte 84 if you got that route.

Thanks for the info, learn something every day!

Yeah.
024-3003
241-3005
Strange.
Bring the ported Oh-Nine-Oh also?

 

[Sagetown]

One model where the reliable results I have seen haven't varied at all is the 562xp, where all the results have been 12.8 lbs (or 12 lbs 12.8 oz) - regardless what the specs said at the moment (has varied widely, specially in the US).

All results I have seen on the MS362 have been between 13.02 and 13.2 lbs, 13.2 being most common.

Currently, the only 60cc saws that are lighter than the 562xp is the 560xp and 2260 (the 560 and ounce or two lighter - the usual Husky/Jred difference).

Just got a Stihl catalog in the mail. Here's the answer to the MS 362 weight differences.
There are 3 models of the 362 .
C-M This is the basic saw weighing 12.8 pounds.
Next is the C-MQ. It is equipped with the Quickstop*Plus chainbreak features, weighing 13.0 pounds.
Followed by the R-CM. This model is the Wrap-Handle version available in select areas, weighing 13.6 pounds.
Hope this helps settle the confusion on this model.

 

[caffeine1fg]

That stihl is peeing on Missouri Jim because he's wearing a Husqvarna cap!

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[Sagetown]

That stihl is peeing on Missouri Jim because he's wearing a Husqvarna cap!

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I never notice his cap. Good catch.

 

[SawTroll]

Sorry but this is not correct. The Oleo Mac 962 (which is by the way a 61.5cc saw) weighs less than the 562 but more than the 560. I know old school etc. but it is still manufactured and sold new today.

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Just try to find one - and they were known for "optimistic" specs.

 

[SawTroll]

Only real 'problem' with the stock 036 is the clutch drum/bearing that were recalled/upgraded to the beefier 360 kit. Without the upgreade they are prone to grenade. .....

The clutch assembly still is known to grenade on the 261 and 362 - but somehow it isn't mentioned often on the AS - it is on other forums though...

 

[SawTroll]

The weights are close but not the same. As you know, the thing that makes the 590/600/620 so interesting (besides price) is how they respond to a simple (15 min.) MM and tune. For guys willing to do such a mod with the Echo, you will have a saw that cuts like a 70cc but weighs significantly less (ready to cut). IMO, all three saws below would have similar cutting performance:

Echo 600p____PHO: 13 lb - 7 oz.____Fuel: 21.8 oz.____Oil: 10.1 oz.____TTL Weight: 15.43 lbs.____Price: $450 (Ebay)
Husky 372xp__PHO: 14 lb - 3.5 oz.___Fuel: 26.04 oz.___Oil: 13.53 oz.___TTL Weight: 16.69 lbs.____Price: $879.95
Stihl ms441___PHO: 15 lb - 1 oz.____Fuel: 24.5 oz.____Oil: 12.2 oz.____TTL Weight: 17.36 lbs.____Price: $950

Now if you port the 600p for $300 + $450 = $750: You will have a saw that costs much less and will out cut the other two any day of the week. Yes, it's not fair to compare a ported saw to a stock or MM'd saw. My point is, for $750, you will have a saw that will bury the other two. The fact that Echo is a quality built, simple, and reliable machine just adds to the value.

The Echo 590 (or 600) should be compared to the Husky 555 - and then it looses badly on all accounts!

In the US it may be cheaper, but in most of the world it isn't.

 

[Stihl 041S]

The clutch assembly still is known to grenade on the 261 and 362 - but somehow it isn't mentioned often on the AS - it is on other forums though...

Blowing up and killing nuns and orphans.
Even orphan nuns.
Oh the Humanity....

 

[SawTroll]

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As for the 361 vs. the 036/360? Depends on what you define as better. 036 has more stock torque and a tad more power (rated and real), is far easier and faster to tune, and the early model did not need any mods because the stock muffler was wide open. The vibration is considerably higher on the 036/360 with he rubber AV mounts than the spring mounted 361. The 361 revs higher and has less torque to get the similar power. .....

That is the case only if the 361 is the demoted US version - as you surely know?

The cylinder and muffler is different from the original German made version.

 

[SawTroll]

Sorry but this is not correct. The Oleo Mac 962 (which is by the way a 61.5cc saw) weighs less than the 562 but more than the 560. I know old school etc. but it is still manufactured and sold new today.

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Specs were proved to be "optimistic" though (on the 56cc version, both weight and power) - so it is reasonable to believe they were/are on the 62cc version as well.

Their 62cc versions were their only somewhat interesting ones though.....

 

[caffeine1fg]

Meh! 60cc saws! lol. Actually 40 or 60 are my favorites.

A lot of brand bantering for a class so many people dismiss.

 

[SawTroll]

Ah, I was hoping to see a Bra Zillian 361 pop up with the #3 starting cereal number. I have yet to see one, even in a photo. I did come across a Brazilian 380 once. Guy brought it up from Mexico.

The Brazilian ones are out there, but of course not in Europe or North America - nothing new about that!

 

[SawTroll]

When flippy caps came out my ex and I both agreed that they sucked, right from the start. Screw caps you can fill and seal. One in twenty flippy twists can fail and gush oil or gas and the day can head down hill from there. Dunno why they had to go overboard on 'tooless' caps and bar adjusters. Both bad ideas for stupid homeowners.

Exactly what it is, and to score points in (ridiculous) "consumer tests", where all stupid "features" gain points....

 

[SawTroll]

Just got a Stihl catalog in the mail. Here's the answer to the MS 362 weight differences.
There are 3 models of the 362 .
C-M This is the basic saw weighing 12.8 pounds.
Next is the C-MQ. It is equipped with the Quickstop*Plus chainbreak features, weighing 13.0 pounds.
Followed by the R-CM. This model is the Wrap-Handle version available in select areas, weighing 13.6 pounds.
Hope this helps settle the confusion on this model.

I have seen all that before - but it is about specs, and not the truth.

 

[windthrown]

The clutch assembly still is known to grenade on the 261 and 362 - but somehow it isn't mentioned often on the AS - it is on other forums though...

Seems strange. The 034 was OK with the smaller 036 clutch bearing, as are the 290/310/390 when they are swapped in. The 036 blew them up regularly. The 360 clutch bearing was made beefier and the problem went away. The 361 has the same clutch bearing as the 360, as does the 362. I do not know of any grenading 361 problems. Seems odd. Similarly, the 026 and 260 have the same clutch bearing as the 261.

 

[windthrown]

The Brazilian ones are out there, but of course not in Europe or North America - nothing new about that!

Not quite. Mexico gets Brazilian 361s, as well as 381s. Mexico is in North America (last I looked).

 

[windthrown]

That is the case only if the 361 is the demoted US version - as you surely know?

The cylinder and muffler is different from the original German made version.

Yes, yes. You have made that point many times here. Be advised that in the states we only have access to these weenie vastly inferior MS361 American made saws. We (or at least I) do not have access to any of your vastly superior German Made EU market 361 saws. In future, please assume that any reference to any 361 saws that I make is in reference to the Made in Virginia AMERICAN 361. That may change to include the Brazilian made 361 at some time in future though, as they are available in Mexico and some may drift up this way.

Of course, note also that your vastly superior German Made EU 361 saws cost a vastly larger sum of money in the EU. I would not have been willing to pay the insane ransom that you pay for chainsaws in the EU. As such, I think that the US 361 saws are a far better value, yes? I paid at most $500 USD for new 361s here, out the door. For that reason I shipped many of them down under, and several to the EU when the US dollar was weak and the 361 was still available here. Nuk nuk nuk...

 

[SawTroll]

Not quite. Mexico gets Brazilian 361s, as well as 381s. Mexico is in North America (last I looked).

I may be wrong, but I think Mexico usually is thought of as middle America, not North - but it may vary with the context?