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You have a selective sense of smell when it comes to dung.

Somebody gets their vajaja hurt by a short term ban and they won't ever come back and then we get to hear about it forever, on multiple forums. Sucks.

Get over it.

Dayum! That's pretty dang hypocritical coming from one of the biggest PRP's (post reporting pussies) on the site. Just because you think you're reporting posts anonymously, we all know what a crybaby you are, and have always been.
 
I ain't a porter and don't have a dog in this fight. I do work at one of those "local machine shops", and will offer my opinion as to the cost of cutting a jug. You will be paying $200+ to have the base and squish cut to whatever specifications you provide. We don't have a shelf full of mandrels and fixtures to cut jugs, and we likely don't have appropriate material to make them. I don't know of any other shop that would keep stock on hand that they aren't going to use, or only use once every 10+ years(if that)....and we aren't likely to make them for a single job consisting of a single low dollar part. On top of that, we also assume the risk of damaging/destroying the part. Most likely, we aren't even going to take the job. Assuming we do, and assuming a 50mm jug....

2" UHMW(for the mandrel) is $9.30 a foot, plus shipping. I have no idea what it would cost to ship, but let's call it $10. So $20 to round it off.
Now we have to turn that to fit the bore, so we will figure on a half hour for that. Another $32.50(our shop rate is $65/hr unless you want it right now)
Next is figuring out how to hold the jug and drive it without damaging it...and still being able to move it to get it indicated in. So we build a rinky dink fixture from some random odd lengths on the shelf. There's another $15 in material and an hour($65) spent looking for junk that would work and then making it work.
Now we spend another 45 minutes($48.75) screwing around with the rinky dink fixture, getting the jug to run true, and cutting the base.
If we're lucky, we can cut the squish without moving anything. $0
We might not be, and then have to spend another 1/2-3/4hr fiddling with it to get it right again. $32.50-$48.75
Assuming we didn't have to move anything, we're at $181.25 before tax. You still have no porting done(which we aren't going to do anyway), and no popup.
If we did have to move something. then $213.75 to $230.....still no porting or popup.
If we destroyed the jug with a crappy fixture, setup, or some unexpected cluster**** occurs, we lose money.

I can guarantee that I have removed less material from a part and charged more for it than the "porting" from this thread cost. Should I have taken more off so the customer "got their money's worth", or only taken off what was necessary for optimum function of the part? It's a no brainer IMO. On the other hand, an agreement for services needs to have very precise and appropriate use of language to adequately define the scope of work to be performed. "Porting" implies(to me anyway) work being done on the ports to change the size or shape in some way. That doesn't appear to have been done from the photographs, but there isn't a pic of an unmodified jug for comparison either. I don't know for sure either way. In one of the pictures it doesn't appear that the liner has been matched to the port( or port matched to the liner, however you view it). The jug ain't in my hands, so again, I don't know for sure. I do know that if that's the case, I would be quite displeased at having paid for a service that was not(in my opinion) rendered in full. At the least, I would expect such a flaw to be corrected when "porting" a jug. That said, $200 wouldn't buy you that much at a "local machine shop".

I'm still trying to figure out how you would charge someone 200$ for a job that would take at most an hour to do. Not sure what you are trying to achieve with these jigs and fixtures, but they are a waste of time. Chuck the cylinder in a 4 jaw chuck and dial in the bore and the base, it's really that simple. Deck the base then go in and cut the squish all in one operation.
 
I have a serious question.

This may sound dumb but since i only have a cell phone maybe i dont see it ... but how do you report posts ?

I figured if i ever lose all my testosterone and wanna start snitichin it might come in handy.
Hey buddy keep me on ur good list. I didn't make too much fun of ur mix n match toof problem from ur avitar
 
I have a serious question.

This may sound dumb but since i only have a cell phone maybe i dont see it ... but how do you report posts ?

I figured if i ever lose all my testosterone and wanna start snitichin it might come in handy.
Look for the "report" button at the bottom near the reply button... IDK if that TalpTalk APP thing is the same but I use the web version on my mobile and it's there...
 
I have a serious question.

This may sound dumb but since i only have a cell phone maybe i dont see it ... but how do you report posts ?

I figured if i ever lose all my testosterone and wanna start snitichin it might come in handy.
:laughing:
 
I'm still trying to figure out how you would charge someone 200$ for a job that would take at most an hour to do. Not sure what you are trying to achieve with these jigs and fixtures, but they are a waste of time. Chuck the cylinder in a 4 jaw chuck and dial in the bore and the base, it's really that simple. Deck the base then go in and cut the squish all in one operation.


may we ask what kind of job you have and what you are paid if you are wondering what others are making and why they charge is simple . why do you think plumbers and electricians can charge the going rate its the knowledge they have and experience is what is being paid for . if your name is because of what job you have then you may understand and if not see about getting a xray of your brain some people dont understand knowledge is worth paying for ffs a monkey can flip a burger
 
may we ask what kind of job you have and what you are paid if you are wondering what others are making and why they charge is simple . why do you think plumbers and electricians can charge the going rate its the knowledge they have and experience is what is being paid for . if your name is because of what job you have then you may understand and if not see about getting a xray of your brain some people dont understand knowledge is worth paying for ffs a monkey can flip a burger

I am a licences machinist, I also build and race snowmobiles. I do know a few things about building engines. This is an operation that an apprentice can get done in an hour. Charge an hour at whatever your shop rate is, ours in 90$/hour by they way.
 
im not a machinist and dont claim to be but there is more work to port than sticking it on a lathe the knowledge of the numbers that work best and knowing where to use a grinder is another thing and is why i dont port or ruin a cylinder trying to port ill leave that to the ones who do it for a living
 
I am a licences machinist, I also build and race snowmobiles. I do know a few things about building engines. This is an operation that an apprentice can get done in an hour. Charge an hour at whatever your shop rate is, ours in 90$/hour by they way.

one thing I like about AS is we can express our individuality! and as such, I disagree with you completely! an apprentice would not be able to make the tooling, chuck it up, set the lathe... dial it all to -0- and then deck the cyl and run the boring tool or switch up tooling and inside the cylinder and cut the squish, etc. at all much less in an hour! or less.... I don't believe it, and I don't buy it. it is easy to write such words, but in all actuality just the dialing in is intimidating. the moment I found out that you or your race 'mobile shop was letting the apprentices cut my, the cyls... i'd be down the road. :) by apprentice we... well at least me! assume beginner. the implication reads well! I am not saying an apprentice who is just hours away from journeyman couldn't do it given training, education and experience. I think the threads here on AS on the subject, complete with indepth fotos and vids... clearly show its not a job for beginner, apprentice or even a skilled machinist without the knowledge and experience of what he is doing.

and it takes more than an hour to accumulate and accomplish such understanding... production work and turning aside.
 
My post was about the machining only, no you cannot machine and port a cylinder in an hour. I have a ported 353 and I have about an hour into the porting. And that's a saw with transfer covers. 200-250$ for a machined cyl, pop up and porting is a very reasonable price. 200$ to only deck the base and cut the squish, that's absurd.
 
one thing I like about AS is we can express our individuality! and as such, I disagree with you completely! an apprentice would not be able to make the tooling, chuck it up, set the lathe... dial it all to -0- and then deck the cyl and run the boring tool or switch up tooling and inside the cylinder and cut the squish, etc. I don't believe it, and I don't buy it. it is easy to write such words, but in all actuality just the dialing in is intimidating. the moment I found out that you or your race 'mobile shop was letting the apprentices cut my, the cyls... i'd be down the road. :) by apprentice we... well at least me! assume beginner. the implication reads well! I am not saying an apprentice who is just hours away from journeyman couldn't do it given training, education and experience. I think the threads here on AS on the subject, complete with indepth fotos and vids... clearly show its not a job for beginner, apprentice or even a skiiled machinist without the knowledge and experience of what he is doing.
Troof !!
 
i read alot on here on i understand alot of what it takes to do the cylinder and also i have watched the videos i would say you would have about a full day in all the mods if not more



it is plain to see dxray is newbie and still green on here with his 3rd message trying to tell the builders here he is better at the machining and also saying they over price their work
 
My post was about the machining only, no you cannot machine and port a cylinder in an hour. I have a ported 353 and I have about an hour into the porting. And that's a saw with transfer covers. 200-250$ for a machined cyl, pop up and porting is a very reasonable price. 200$ to only deck the base and cut the squish, that's absurd.

again my opinion... and then I am off this topic... but if u go back are ck it out... the 200 was not to only deck the base and cut the squish!!! so please keep these comments accurate and relevant... this is a serious thread and many here are here to learn more about saws that they didn't know so much about before getting and joining the AS. I speak for myself when I say I don't particularly like comments that dilute the or attempt to dilute the reality of the situation... :nofunny:
 
First of all, I guess being in the trade makes things easier for me, I have never knocked anyone's work. I've been reading a ton on here and learning more about saws. I've never claimed I know more than anyone here, just stated my opinion on a machining aspect. All our lathes are equipped with 4 jaw chucks. Takes a minute or 2 to dial a part in, yes some can be trickier than other, even if it took 10 minutes. Cutting the base should take no more than 5 minutes, the squish maybe 15-20 depending on the angle needed. All in all it should not take over an hour if you have any lathe experience. And everyone was green and an apprentice at one point.
 
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