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Hey Frankie when ur dun wit da saw and the final video has been shot (that this forum will see a billion times over and over) I will buy it from you for $400 more than you paid for it. I don’t even want the Race chain you will have on it for the final vid. What say u?
 
....it’s about the 462 not having much left in it to extract.

When the 661 first came along, I ported one and got a 15% gain. I thought that was horrible, so I ordered another top end to try again. That was when the recall happened. Took me a couple of months to get that top end. After trying again, I got about a 25% gain. I figured that was as good as it was gonna get. Now, I've done over 60 of these saws, and am getting around a 40% increase in cut speed. To be honest.....the "recipe" I ended up with was sort of an accident. We called that saw El Freako because I was sure I couldn't duplicate it. But......I was able to, and have been building them that way for about two years now. To let you guys know how those of us that build saws really are, this saw - El Freako - was sent to Scott and Julian to try against the saws Scott builds. There was no butt hurt......no ********......no drama. Just friends doing what friends do.

My point is this......the 462 is a brand new saw. And.....it's weird as a mfer. The transfer entrances are in the bottom of the case, and they are contrary to crankshaft windage. I took the first one apart a few times and just scratched my head. But......I've managed some solid gains on the saw by just building upon what I think is good about the design. I actually have 5 new ones here right now......doing them that way allow me to make small changes to each saw, and run them against each other to see if I'm going in the right direction.

It's gonna take a few more saws to get a solid "recipe" for the 462. I'd never claim to have it figured out at this point......but I can promise an solid increase in torque that allows the faller to run a more aggressive chain, or a larger sprocket. I'm not looking for more rpm......just a wider, and flatter powerband. At least for now.
 
you are a true narcissist DA...………...
Really ? Ol bird legs comes on MY thread and proceeds to stink up the joint once again and somehow this reflects on me ? I thought he was leaving and heading back to Oh-pee-E ? Just had to open the windows a few days ago to let the bad-awful stink waft away and now it’s festering again ?
 
Sort of, the gains were not lost, they were just diminished compared to a broken in STOCK saw
Yes I fully understood that, hypothetically if a modded saw gained 10/15% being ported before being run a new saw in stock form but run in had 10% ish less power the question crops up is the smallish loss of power to the ported saw but for 250/360$ outlay a good or otherwise bang for the buck as said from my point of view it would be down the un modded route & thank you for bringing some sense to this thread
 
Really ? Ol bird legs comes on MY thread and proceeds to stink up the joint once again and somehow this reflects on me ? I thought he was leaving and heading back to Oh-pee-E ? Just had to open the windows a few days ago to let the bad-awful stink waft away and now it’s festering again ?

Serious question for you Franko. You claim this....

"Custom Saw Modification 241c-362c,660 specialist"

Just how many 241s, 362s, and 660s have you ported? How many of each model has it taken for you to become a "Specialist" ?????
 
When the 661 first came along, I ported one and got a 15% gain. I thought that was horrible, so I ordered another top end to try again. That was when the recall happened. Took me a couple of months to get that top end. After trying again, I got about a 25% gain. I figured that was as good as it was gonna get. Now, I've done over 60 of these saws, and am getting around a 40% increase in cut speed. To be honest.....the "recipe" I ended up with was sort of an accident. We called that saw El Freako because I was sure I couldn't duplicate it. But......I was able to, and have been building them that way for about two years now. To let you guys know how those of us that build saws really are, this saw - El Freako - was sent to Scott and Julian to try against the saws Scott builds. There was no butt hurt......no ********......no drama. Just friends doing what friends do.

My point is this......the 462 is a brand new saw. And.....it's weird as a mfer. The transfer entrances are in the bottom of the case, and they are contrary to crankshaft windage. I took the first one apart a few times and just scratched my head. But......I've managed some solid gains on the saw by just building upon what I think is good about the design. I actually have 5 new ones here right now......doing them that way allow me to make small changes to each saw, and run them against each other to see if I'm going in the right direction.

It's gonna take a few more saws to get a solid "recipe" for the 462. I'd never claim to have it figured out at this point......but I can promise an solid increase in torque that allows the faller to run a more aggressive chain, or a larger sprocket. I'm not looking for more rpm......just a wider, and flatter powerband. At least for now.
I completely understand what you and jim are getting at with the torque. Do you have any videos of the ported saw dogged in. Also have you run a few gallons, say 3-5 gallons thru a stock saw to compare the two, Fully broken in saw with latest recipe vs fully broken in stock saw? Thanks
 
Serious question for you Franko. You claim this....

"Custom Saw Modification 241c-362c,660 specialist"

Just how many 241s, 362s, and 660s have you ported? How many of each model has it taken for you to become a "Specialist" ?????
I'm goin with 0 on that one.
 
When the 661 first came along, I ported one and got a 15% gain. I thought that was horrible, so I ordered another top end to try again. That was when the recall happened. Took me a couple of months to get that top end. After trying again, I got about a 25% gain. I figured that was as good as it was gonna get. Now, I've done over 60 of these saws, and am getting around a 40% increase in cut speed. To be honest.....the "recipe" I ended up with was sort of an accident. We called that saw El Freako because I was sure I couldn't duplicate it. But......I was able to, and have been building them that way for about two years now. To let you guys know how those of us that build saws really are, this saw - El Freako - was sent to Scott and Julian to try against the saws Scott builds. There was no butt hurt......no ********......no drama. Just friends doing what friends do.

My point is this......the 462 is a brand new saw. And.....it's weird as a mfer. The transfer entrances are in the bottom of the case, and they are contrary to crankshaft windage. I took the first one apart a few times and just scratched my head. But......I've managed some solid gains on the saw by just building upon what I think is good about the design. I actually have 5 new ones here right now......doing them that way allow me to make small changes to each saw, and run them against each other to see if I'm going in the right direction.

It's gonna take a few more saws to get a solid "recipe" for the 462. I'd never claim to have it figured out at this point......but I can promise an solid increase in torque that allows the faller to run a more aggressive chain, or a larger sprocket. I'm not looking for more rpm......just a wider, and flatter powerband. At least for now.
 
Serious question for you Franko. You claim this....

"Custom Saw Modification 241c-362c,660 specialist"

Just how many 241s, 362s, and 660s have you ported? How many of each model has it taken for you to become a "Specialist" ?????
Enough of em to make them run as you see in the vids ... what you see is what you get , no BS ... rest assured much time was spent assuring the potential customer would be well - pleased with the outcome ... now if you want your chicken-wings hotter we can do ! But if ya wanna race it costs money !E9D81E0D-F38E-4C8B-8597-23E87166EFB4.jpeg58186D82-22EC-402E-9634-579478FB7762.jpeg
 
I completely understand what you and jim are getting at with the torque. Do you have any videos of the ported saw dogged in. Also have you run a few gallons, say 3-5 gallons thru a stock saw to compare the two, Fully broken in saw with latest recipe vs fully broken in stock saw? Thanks

No sir, I don't have any videos of a ported 462 to share now. I don't know if I'll ever post one either.

I rarely post any videos of anything these days. I'm not looking to promote myself at all. I'd rather just idle along in the background. I did just test a 3120XP in big wood to see if it held a tune after it was hot. I made this video for the customer.......because he's asked for one. This saw was built from the crank up, and it's taken a long time to get it just right......so I made a video to send him. It's nothing special though.



But you did bring up an interesting point. The stock saw will gain as it breaks in.....and I agree completely. But why do you think the ported saw will not gain as it breaks in?
 
Enough of em to make them run as you see in the vids ... what you see is what you get , no BS ... rest assured much time was spent assuring the potential customer would be well - pleased with the outcome ... now if you want your chicken-wings hotter we can do ! But if ya wanna race it costs money !View attachment 713549

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Yep......about 1.5 seconds difference in that chunk of wood.

No butt hurt......no ********.....no drama.

Now......send me or Scott one of your saws to test like that.
If I did use guy wood never give it back lol !!!
 
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