Two-Stroke Oils: All the Same?

[bwalker]

as a hardcore 2 stroke dirt bike guy I can say that Motul 800 is good stuff. another great oil is Champion WP. my riding bud put 255 hours on his KTM 300XC with it and when I did a top end for him everything was perfect. not a mark. he's been using it for 25 years. I use this and have had fantastic results.
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I'm sure jealous of that collection. I burnt my last bit of MX2T/2R a long time ago.
It was a remarkable oil that only cost $3.50 a pint!

 

[flatsfisher]

I'm sure jealous of that collection. I burnt my last bit of MX2T/2R a long time ago.
It was a remarkable oil that only cost $3.50 a pint!

when Mobil discontinued this product in the early 2000's I bought every bottle and case I could find at about 6 auto parts stores. they were clearing it out for $1.00 a pint. the quarts were 2 bucks ea. I had twice as much as in this photo, but I ride dirt bikes and have used up a lot of it since then.

 

[huskihl]

I wonder how Belray is in saws? I have a bunch of it laying around MC1 and H1R ?

I’ve personally seen the internals of clapped out tree service saws that were run on H1R at 40:1 since new. They’re all perfect inside. He also says he has 3 550’s that he guesses have over 1000 hours each and still running the original bearings

 

[North by Northwest]

Belray or Spectrol work great in motorcycles..........I worked on bikes for years and they are both good.

HM

Back in the day , unfortunately have not seen any in decades locally . I ran Belray H1R in my Kawasaki 500 & 750 Triples in the 70 's a premium grade oil back then !

 

[lone wolf]

I’ve personally seen the internals of clapped out tree service saws that were run on H1R at 40:1 since new. They’re all perfect inside. He also says he has 3 550’s that he guesses have over 1000 hours each and still running the original bearings

Thanks good to know

 

[bwalker]

Back in the day , unfortunately have not seen any in decades locally . I ran Belray H1R in my Kawasaki 500 & 750 Triples in the 70 'seas a premium grade oil back then !

H1R didn't come out until the 90's.

 

[lone wolf]

H1R didn't come out until the 90's.

MC1 then.

 

[jellyroll]

I wonder how Belray is in saws? I have a bunch of it laying around MC1 and H1R ?

H1R is good stuff but don't mix it any heavier than 40:1. Even at 50:1 it coats everything with oil.

 

[bwalker]

I'm going to be a contrarian here.
I think there are much better choices than H1R that cost less and work better.

 

[jellyroll]

Belray si-7 isn't one i would consider though.

 

[lone wolf]

I'm going to be a contrarian here.
I think there are much better choices than H1R that cost less and work better.

What's your recomendation?

 

[bwalker]

What's your recomendation?

Any actually certified Jaso FC/FD oil will work fine in a saw.
Husky, Red Max, Echo oils will work great.

 

[bwalker]

Belray si-7 isn't one i would consider though.

It's an injector oil, which I prefer not to run in premix applications.

 

[hosocat]

You know, with all the criticism I'm hearing about stihl 2 stroke oil, I'm surprised some stihl dealer or engineer hasn't come to its defense.

I wonder if anyone has done a good analysis of stihl oil to determine if it is a good oil or not.

 

[bwalker]

You know, with all the criticism I'm hearing about stihl 2 stroke oil, I'm surprised some stihl dealer or engineer hasn't come to its defense.

I wonder if anyone has done a good analysis of stihl oil to determine if it is a good oil or not.

Suckers keep buying. Why would they care?

 

[North by Northwest]

H1R didn't come out until the 90's.

Well Bell Ray XXX injector oil equivalent then , was a good oil , I got a free case (12 qt) with the H1 500 , put over 20,000 miles & reduced smoke in comparison to Yamalube . Eventually went to Castrol T Injector oil later with the H2 750 they really were oil thirsty lol. However , I would not recommend any of those oils today .

 

[North by Northwest]

I'm going to be a contrarian here.
I think there are much better choices than H1R that cost less and work better.

Today , certainly many better options !

 

[sean donato]

You know, with all the criticism I'm hearing about stihl 2 stroke oil, I'm surprised some stihl dealer or engineer hasn't come to its defense.

I wonder if anyone has done a good analysis of stihl oil to determine if it is a good oil or not.

From what I understand it was designed for the 4mix engine, not necessarily any of the 2 stroke engines. But it's in a fancy silver bottle and costs a lot....

 

[bwalker]

From what I understand it was designed for the 4mix engine, not necessarily any of the 2 stroke engines. But it's in a fancy silver bottle and costs a lot....

By Stihl own admission it's a FB quality oil. In other words it's an early 80's quality oil.

 

[jellyroll]

From what I understand it was designed for the 4mix engine, not necessarily any of the 2 stroke engines. But it's in a fancy silver bottle and costs a lot....

Good for door hinges.