...and hopefully word will spread and limit his opportunities.
Someone started cutting a tree down for us and hasn't finished the job
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It is easy to mistake wisdom as fear.
That's just what I was thinking!
Bill G
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I agree with allowing him to get his ropes as the homeowner has zero to be gained by keeping them. I do not however agree with allowing him to walk away from the situation with the money for a job that was not completed. That is asinine. Folks need to be held accountable for their actions. I do agree some are loose cannons and I know in this area from personal experience some have major drug issues that feed their ability to be loose cannons. You can go to small claims court and get a judgement but depending on your state laws that might be cost prohibitive. The chances are he will not show up and the judge will enter a default judgment. It truly gets you nothing more than a small bit of personal satisfaction but sometimes that is worth something. I would not drop the issue and I would pursue it with any employer you believe he works for. I have phoned employers when a renter skips out and that sometimes gets a fire under their butt. My wife has went as far as to have wages garnished but I doubt you have that ability in this situation. Allow him to get his stuff but do not allow him to walk away scott-free.
He owes them money take the ropes and sell them its stupid to give the crook anything at this point. Why would you give a crook anything after they stole from you? I know one thing for sure he aint going to give anything back to the homeowner!
I'm glad everything worked out as well as it could have. My fear was that nobody would touch it for fear of liabilty.....you should definitely pass that man's number around whenever possible!
I hope that at a minimum your neighbor is aware of the danger his "friend" put you in. If for no other reason to hopefully prevent this hack from putting someone else in danger as he did to you. He could have well destroyed a home and worse yet, critically hurt or killed someone.
Seriously, spread the word.
I hope that at a minimum your neighbor is aware of the danger his "friend" put you in. If for no other reason to hopefully prevent this hack from putting someone else in danger as he did to you. He could have well destroyed a home and worse yet, critically hurt or killed someone.
Seriously, spread the word.
EchoShindaiwaMakitaDolmar
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And it's easy to mistake fear as wisdom.
I wouldn't doubt what you are saying. But he wouldn't get anything back from me if he ripped me off!
Been talking them down for 10 years now, the ones I see coming down on their own are almost all right from the bottom where they rot from ground water. The trunks up a ways are usually strong as can be. A couple years back I was hired by a guy who was cutting his own down and broke his pull rope. It had a mouth cut half way through. I climbed it and limbed it and tied a 5/8 bull rope on up high. Used the winch on the truck to finish. Seemed really strong when I was in it and the wood in the cut was hard and strong despite the base not looking good.
Or drunk or high on drugs.
My 5/8 rope didn’t break. The homeowners 3/8 clothesline broke when he tried to pull the whole deal over with his truck.
Exactly, 3/8 clothesline is a poor technique.
Gotcha. I like my bullrope it’s rated for twice what my winch is.
Dennis Gauge
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Okay, so maybe not a troll. I stand corrected.
I agree with confiscating the ropes but I do not agree with selling them. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I doubt you'd get enough from selling them to put a dent in what the job cost. They're probably cheap plastic ropes from Tractor Supply or Harbor Freight, not good quality ropes like tree services would use. He doesn't have much into the gear, which is why he left it.
Stuff it in an extra garbage can with a tight-fitting lid and stash it out behind the garage. If he hasn't come back for it in 6 months, it's pretty safe to say he's not coming back. Put it out to the street on trash pickup day.
It would be interesting to see what this guy was using for gear.
I agree with confiscating the ropes but I do not agree with selling them. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I doubt you'd get enough from selling them to put a dent in what the job cost. They're probably cheap plastic ropes from Tractor Supply or Harbor Freight, not good quality ropes like tree services would use. He doesn't have much into the gear, which is why he left it.
Stuff it in an extra garbage can with a tight-fitting lid and stash it out behind the garage. If he hasn't come back for it in 6 months, it's pretty safe to say he's not coming back. Put it out to the street on trash pickup day.
It would be interesting to see what this guy was using for gear.
Kind of a stretch calling it stupidity. Sounded like they knew what they doing.
Except they paid him in full for a job he couldn't do. Loose cannon or not he should at least refund their money. Just my 2 cents.
Crazy stuff. Because of hacks like him now the OP is convinced it takes a team to do a 60ft tree.
I usually fell production in the passages & Inlets of British Columbia for helli or conventional logging.
There was a time I was living on the main land in the Fraser Valley. Bubby that did porting & had a saw shop introduced me to a Faller and another guy that was a bucker that also worked for a number of companies that clear for property development.
Asked the Faller what he is changing. He said 85 an hour at 4 hour minimum. So never less than 340.
He did add he was going to raise to 90 per hour.
They both got me work with in the first few weeks. One week here, 10 days there.
I ran operators hours not Faller's hours. That's by choice.
Also getting some pirivot work through Craigslist & Kijiji also. I wouldn't do a 4 hour minimum if they were next door or close by. If I hadn't got my rocks off already then I was happy to jump over and do a little more. There was times (especially with elders) I felled , limb and bucked for 45 minutes and would not accept their money. Maybe it was the same reason in 40 below zero I always parked the furthest away from the Wal-Mart door because thankfully I can still walk and didn't get killed on the coast. Superstitious? Fear of a higher power? Believe in karma? There is something I must believe in.
About the tree..I have nothing to say about the tree. I just wanted to talk about what a good Faller I am & what a good guy I can be.. J/k..but it does kind of sound like that so far.
Of course I want to talk about the tree.
I assume he lost his nerve.
Looks to be leaning back a little but branches were of good size creating that 'extended weight' towards the house. Nothing that one could not have overcome with 3 or 4, 10" K& H wedges & just a 3 1/2 lb head with 20-22" handle. He probably had a boat load of holding wood left because he was afraid to pull the pin.
One thing I learnt about Timber Falling is God hates a coward. Guys a coward in everything he has done here.
As far as hitting the house?
He said he snapped a rope??? so maybe the rope he tied is unsafe??? I could not see the rope on my phone.
Assuming a few things, if the rope was good & tied with tension (backed up with wedges) and the 'greater weight' is below the leverage point then it is not going to be able to hit the house ..now as long as the rope is good. As I said I could not see anchor point. Furthermore, providing that rope was good with right anchor height & he did cut through the holding wood.
Let's say 2" anti-kickback step (2" vertical holding wood) probably the only way it will break would be if it blow forward then it will spin to a side and back somewhat without a rope. Rope should prevent that with right anchor point.
No saying it is good practice.
Am a production Faller but I've played around on 3 continents. Worked for the
three biggest utility/tree company's in the word, Asplundh, Davey & Tamarack tree (Lewis tree)
Fell a lot of free style on live wire but we used rope and tree tirfor a lot. Was in the electrical union twice from 2 of those companies.
To the OP, Your situation was no joke, and very upsetting to people but this level of tree work to a lot of us on here in a joke.
Sometimes I slip backwards and take out bigger trees.
Can I say one more thing...
Hard to tell everything from a pic but looks like tree could go without taking the branches off?
I mean, they are not my new hero/s
I usually fell production in the passages & Inlets of British Columbia for helli or conventional logging.
There was a time I was living on the main land in the Fraser Valley. Bubby that did porting & had a saw shop introduced me to a Faller and another guy that was a bucker that also worked for a number of companies that clear for property development.
Asked the Faller what he is changing. He said 85 an hour at 4 hour minimum. So never less than 340.
He did add he was going to raise to 90 per hour.
They both got me work with in the first few weeks. One week here, 10 days there.
I ran operators hours not Faller's hours. That's by choice.
Also getting some pirivot work through Craigslist & Kijiji also. I wouldn't do a 4 hour minimum if they were next door or close by. If I hadn't got my rocks off already then I was happy to jump over and do a little more. There was times (especially with elders) I felled , limb and bucked for 45 minutes and would not accept their money. Maybe it was the same reason in 40 below zero I always parked the furthest away from the Wal-Mart door because thankfully I can still walk and didn't get killed on the coast. Superstitious? Fear of a higher power? Believe in karma? There is something I must believe in.
About the tree..I have nothing to say about the tree. I just wanted to talk about what a good Faller I am & what a good guy I can be.. J/k..but it does kind of sound like that so far.
Of course I want to talk about the tree.
I assume he lost his nerve.
Looks to be leaning back a little but branches were of good size creating that 'extended weight' towards the house. Nothing that one could not have overcome with 3 or 4, 10" K& H wedges & just a 3 1/2 lb head with 20-22" handle. He probably had a boat load of holding wood left because he was afraid to pull the pin.
One thing I learnt about Timber Falling is God hates a coward. Guys a coward in everything he has done here.
As far as hitting the house?
He said he snapped a rope??? so maybe the rope he tied is unsafe??? I could not see the rope on my phone.
Assuming a few things, if the rope was good & tied with tension (backed up with wedges) and the 'greater weight' is below the leverage point then it is not going to be able to hit the house ..now as long as the rope is good. As I said I could not see anchor point. Furthermore, providing that rope was good with right anchor height & he did cut through the holding wood.
Let's say 2" anti-kickback step (2" vertical holding wood) probably the only way it will break would be if it blow forward then it will spin to a side and back somewhat without a rope. Rope should prevent that with right anchor point.
No saying it is good practice.
Am a production Faller but I've played around on 3 continents. Worked for the
three biggest utility/tree company's in the word, Asplundh, Davey & Tamarack tree (Lewis tree)
Fell a lot of free style on live wire but we used rope and tree tirfor a lot. Was in the electrical union twice from 2 of those companies.
To the OP, Your situation was no joke, and very upsetting to people but this level of tree work to a lot of us on here in a joke.
Sometimes I slip backwards and take out bigger trees.
Can I say one more thing...
Hard to tell everything from a pic but looks like tree could go without taking the branches off?
I mean, they are not my new hero/s
