Have you seen oil analyses? They do indeed buy the best additives.
Chainsaw 2 Cycle Oil Poll
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Some of Project Farms videos are good, others aren't done right, you have to be able to tell which are done the right way.
That is true for pretty much any product test work. But I think Todd is sincere and I find most of his work both useful and credible.
If you think his methods have an scientific or statistical validity you can't be helped.
I haven't seen one of his "tests" that have any sort of validity.
But you know who does test with validity? JASO. Which is why I always reccomened using a JASO FD oil.
The best additives are made by Chevron and Mobil. They use the best in house and do not sell them.
I have seen many oil analysis for large mining equipment, but none for Amsoil, because the large companies I worked for wouldn't buy Amsoil.
This equipment was ran in punishing conditions and to failure. Not some guy that splits his time polishing his truck with diapers and browsing BITOG.
I can say for certain that for conventional oils Shell Rottella and Chevron Delo are superb. For synthetics Mobil Delvac as well as Chevron and Shell synthetic are also superb.
If you don't, you can't be helped. (See, I can be as snarky as you. Think that is a productive exchange?)
Comment on this, if you will, as to whether anything he does is indefensible.
About half the pf videos are just straight up garbage testing. The few he puts some decent effort into have are such small scale the results are basically useless.
I do have to agree with @bwalker , I've worked heavy duty diesel from high-school up to a few years ago where I switched to a slightly different field. Never once seen amsoil used in a quarry, coal mine or job site for that matter. Done tons of oil, fuel and coolant analysis over the years. Never once seen any indication the oils that were used did anything other then their job. These engines and driveline see the worst conditions imaginable with operators that (mostly) don't give a crap about thr equipment. They run thousands of hours before needing a rebuild. If scams oil was half as good as you claim every single one of them would be running it. They don't.
I do have to agree with @bwalker , I've worked heavy duty diesel from high-school up to a few years ago where I switched to a slightly different field. Never once seen amsoil used in a quarry, coal mine or job site for that matter. Done tons of oil, fuel and coolant analysis over the years. Never once seen any indication the oils that were used did anything other then their job. These engines and driveline see the worst conditions imaginable with operators that (mostly) don't give a crap about thr equipment. They run thousands of hours before needing a rebuild. If scams oil was half as good as you claim every single one of them would be running it. They don't.
Can you show the proof that Amsoil has been tested and proven to be bad?
I am not a salesperson for Amsoil. But I have seen the summary of the ASTM D-4172 4-ball wear tests, as well as Todd Osgood's tests. The ASTM test showed AMSOIL to have the lowest wear of any oil tested. This was engine oil, though, not chainsaw oil. But Amsoil saber is a JASO FD oil. In any case, I have used AMSOIL engine oil in all of my cars as well as diesel trucks for decades, with extended oil change intervals. Never wore out an engine. I generally get rid of the vehicles between 250,000 and 300,000 miles due to other reasons, such as worn out upholstery, rust, etc. I don't know why mining companies don't use it. It may be a case of false economy, as Amsoil is likely more expensive than what they use. As for PF testing, Todd Osgood is a mechanical engineer, and I think over 90% of his tests are thorough and logical. You are free to have your own opinion.
I have run the cheapest oil I could find that met mfg specs, changed at least as often as the mfg says to change it, for decades, and take my vehicles to 250k+ miles as well. Same deal, the rest of the vehicle falls apart, the engine is fine.
I generally like PF, but even if Amsoil does the best on some test somewhere, plain ole Chevron 5w-30 does perfectly fine in my car and truck, and Rotella did fine in my diesel, for a fraction of the price. I pay less for an entire oil change than you pay for two quarts of Amsoil. Even at Amsoil's extended drain intervals(which I think are bologna without additional aftermarket filtration), I'd rather change my oil 3x more often with the cheap stuff to reach the same cost per mile. Rather be running clean cheap oil than dirty expensive oil.
To each his own. But as an experiment, I once sent an oil sample to a testing lab after 30,000 miles. This was from a GM diesel engine. It still tested as within spec for brand new oil. But I also used high-capacity filters. For most of my cars, I change oil every 25000 miles and the filter every 12500 miles. Result is actually less total cost than if I changed every 3000 miles with cheap oil. The only exception is my current truck Ford F-350 diesel. Amsoil recommends changing every 10000 miles due to diesel fuel condensing into the oil. That makes the economy questionable, especially since it takes 13 quarts per oil change.
The 4 ball test wasn't ment to test motor oils and doesn't approximate any of the operating conditions of a four cycle motor.
Amsoil Saber is absolutely not a JASO FD oil.
Definitely to each his own. I wouldn't take an engine to 30k miles on the same oil without several oil tests along the way. I can HEAR the difference in my engine when I change the oil..........
I don't buy that for a second, additives are used as the engine runs, it's one of the reasons they are there, acidity rises in the oil the more fuel you run through the engine, as well as carbon content and a host of other substances. It's usually not the lubricity of the oil in question, but the amount of helpful additives left in them to continue their job effectively.
If oil was topped up as it was consumed and the right filters were added, I could see it working.
If he's burning that amount of oil, it's time for a rebuild.
