A Safer More Efficient Tree Industry Future?

[jomoco]

And yes, I've seen an experienced chipper "operator" pulled in. His baggy clothes got caught and the feedwheel was gnawing on his helmet when the panic bar was hit. A very unfortunate accident that didn't have a tragic ending.

I don't want to see anyone in this industry hurt, but I don't see the need for any rules like this.

Did it occur to you that having a second man in proximity to your chipper is the only reason the situation you've described did not end tragically Chief?

jomoco

 

[2treeornot2tree]

Did it occur to you that having a second man in proximity to your chipper is the only reason the situation you've described did not end tragically Chief?

jomoco

He never said a second person hit the panic bar. You assumed and you know what happens when you assume dont you?

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[jomoco]

There's a very good reason that all the officials whose job is investigating wood chipper fatalities on the job have come to the same conclusion. Hence their number one recommendation for preventing these fatalities is having two men working together in close proximity to the chipper.

IMO, the over-riding reason TCIA will be forced to change their tune on safe WTC operations quite soon.

jomoco

 

[tree MDS]

I gather you believe having one man feeding a WTC is more efficient than having two men feed it?

jomoco

Financially speaking, at times, yes.

 

[2treeornot2tree]

Often I do tree work with myself and a groundie. So when I am in the tree or bucket, he is chipping alone.

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[jomoco]

Often I do tree work with myself and a groundie. So when I am in the tree or bucket, he is chipping alone.

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Me too. But my groundie invariably feeds a BC1000 when chipping solo.

jomoco

 

[jomoco]

Don't you have a patent or two on devices concerning this subject?

Yes Del. But I let the patent expire on purpose in the late 90's.

jomoco

 

[2treeornot2tree]

Yes Del. But I let the patent expire on purpose in the late 90's.

jomoco

Sounds like you have been fighting a losing battle for a long time. Maybe its time to give it ar est?

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[Pelorus]

Implement a two person 12" chipper rule, and 11" chippers will start selling like hotcakes!
Ever wonder why 9.9hp outboard motors get sold?

 

[2treeornot2tree]

Implement a two person 12" chipper rule, and 11" chippers will start selling like hotcakes!
Ever wonder why 9.9hp outboard motors get sold?

Let me guess because ther under 10 hp. Lol

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[jomoco]

I consider any hydraulically fed chipper with over a 12 inch wood eating capacity a WTC Steve.

I'd love to hear some objective discussion on the industry coddling of us precious climbers via aerial rescue training seminars and regulations requiring a qualified second climber on the job. Whereas the poor stalwart humble groundie gets the shaft, or err mandrel, all alone, in increments if the auto feed is engaged.

No SGB. Not me in the Dr. S vid.

jomoco

Note that I said over a 12inch capacity guys.

jomoco

 

[2treeornot2tree]

I would have to believe that a 8" chipper would pull you in even as easy as a 18" chipper would.

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[Steve NW WI]

jomoco, what part of the design of say, a 14" chipper makes it more inherently dangerous than a 12" chipper? Educate me, or I might lose interest. If I lose interest, I might just lock this MFer down.

 

[tree MDS]

Note that I said over a 12inch capacity guys.

jomoco

That was my point. Plenty of 12" chippers out there that could swallow a guy up no problem (well, maybe not some members here, but you get my point). Actually, I'm pretty sure with the bandits, the 12" machines have a faster feed rate (120' per minute, vs. 100) than the larger machines. Maybe that's the answer, jusy make them painfully slow.. lol, no pun intended.

 

[jomoco]

I would have to believe that a 8" chipper would pull you in even as easy as a 18" chipper would.

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How many documented 8-10 inch capacity wood chipper fatalities can you provide a link to? One?

jomoco

 

[2treeornot2tree]

How many documented 8-10 inch capacity wood chipper fatalities can you provide a link to? One?

jomoco

How many fatalities can you provide a link to for chippers over 10". Post them up I wanna see them

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[jomoco]

jomoco, what part of the design of say, a 14" chipper makes it more inherently dangerous than a 12" chipper? Educate me, or I might lose interest. If I lose interest, I might just lock this MFer down.

It's the hydraulic feed wheel mechanism combined with rated horse power above 90 or so that seems to be the tipping point in terms of fatalities.

The old 16 inch capacity chuck n ducks took lots of fingers, hands and arms, along with missing teeth, concussions etc. But I never heard tale of them eating a groundie whole and spitting them into the back of a chiptruck.

jomoco

 

[NCTREE]

the obvious answer is the larger the branch being thrown in the larger the risk of being caught and pulled in. 3" branches aren't going to do it unless your a midget

 

[Steve NW WI]

It's the hydraulic feed wheel mechanism combined with rated horse power above 90 or so that seems to be the tipping point in terms of fatalities.

The old 16 inch capacity chuck n ducks took lots of fingers, hands and arms, along with missing teeth, concussions etc. But I never heard tale of them eating a groundie whole and spitting them into the back of a chiptruck.

jomoco

Not buying that for a second. "Small" machines, like the Vermeer 1000 you mentioned, have the same feed system (which I'm pretty familiar with, it's the same system used on forage harvesters), and 90hp is an arbritrary number you've picked out for your purposes, whatever they are. There's PROBABLY (due to me not having done any scientific research) no way that you could stop yourself from being pulled into a system powered by a 10hp Briggs without a stop system.

Back to school, if you're going to spout here, get some hard facts out, and soon.

 

[2treeornot2tree]

the obvious answer is the larger the branch being thrown in the larger the risk of being caught and pulled in. 3" branches aren't going to do it unless your a midget

Thats not true. A small branch could snag you and pull you in just as easy as a big one.

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