anybody sell firewood on the side? i'm talkin small timers.

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Firewood is one of the most underpaid jobs out there. You have

  1. an expensive vehicle that gets conisderable wear and tear from banging around the woods
  2. an expensive saw that gets considerable wear and tear from cutting the timber
  3. your body that gets considerable wear and tear from the strenuous work
  4. the value of the trees processed

Add all that up, and you are not too high by any means. And, as others have said, if you are selling what you cut, you may be too cheap.
 
Cord is two ricks in Arkansas and I'm Pretty sure Tennessee also. A cord of wood by definition is 4 feet tall by 16 feet long ranked and stowed. This definition from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. Where I live in North Arkansas we sell wood by the rick 4 feet tall and 8 feet long. Usually priced around $40 for stove wood 18 inches long per rick (half cord). I sell mostly furnace wood for $50 22-24 inches long per rick (half cord). Get more business than I what and have never advertised. Been doing it for about 17-18 years never had any complaints that I listen to or took seriously. If they don't like my prices they can get it somewhere else. I don't cut wood for free too dangerous & time consuming, way too much overhead, one tire blowout and your looking at $100 plus to repair. I just do it because it helps clean up my farm and I hate pushing down timber and burning it for nothing. Plus the timber prices in our area are in the crapper right now and so on.
It goes to show that a cord is not a cord. In wisco a cord is 4x4x8 foot and a face cord is 4x8 foot by 16 inches and a rick is a bundle of split wood about 18 inches in diameter. :cheers:
 
How many ricks in a cord? Come on now,...

well. with all respect, I don't think "come on now". rick and face cord aren't really in the vernacular of the PNW. Might hold true for other parts of the country too. Cord, easy. Half cord, quarter cord even.

:cheers:

"Skookum' is. y'all know that word? Think it's Chinook for damned fine or the like
 
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Cord is two ricks in Arkansas and I'm Pretty sure Tennessee also. A cord of wood by definition is 4 feet tall by 16 feet long ranked and stowed. This definition from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. Where I live in North Arkansas we sell wood by the rick 4 feet tall and 8 feet long. Usually priced around $40 for stove wood 18 inches long per rick (half cord). I sell mostly furnace wood for $50 22-24 inches long per rick (half cord). Get more business than I what and have never advertised. Been doing it for about 17-18 years never had any complaints that I listen to or took seriously. If they don't like my prices they can get it somewhere else. I don't cut wood for free too dangerous & time consuming, way too much overhead, one tire blowout and your looking at $100 plus to repair. I just do it because it helps clean up my farm and I hate pushing down timber and burning it for nothing. Plus the timber prices in our area are in the crapper right now and so on.


oh ok thanks every one on telling how big a cord is i'll take and start stacking it like that and just keep a couple of ricks separated to sell to the ones that don't won't a full cord of wood
 
The easiest way I have found to sell a load is to swing by the gas station with a breadbasket load on the truck as soon as I get done cutting. By the time the truck is full of gas, Im usually on my way to dump it at somebodys house. My wood buggy is an old 4x4 dodge dakota. 1 heaping load dumped whereever you want it for 50 bucks. Its been a busy year.
 
Cord is two ricks in Arkansas and I'm Pretty sure Tennessee also. A cord of wood by definition is 4 feet tall by 16 feet long ranked and stowed. This definition from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. Where I live in North Arkansas we sell wood by the rick 4 feet tall and 8 feet long. Usually priced around $40 for stove wood 18 inches long per rick (half cord). I sell mostly furnace wood for $50 22-24 inches long per rick (half cord). Get more business than I what and have never advertised. Been doing it for about 17-18 years never had any complaints that I listen to or took seriously. If they don't like my prices they can get it somewhere else. I don't cut wood for free too dangerous & time consuming, way too much overhead, one tire blowout and your looking at $100 plus to repair. I just do it because it helps clean up my farm and I hate pushing down timber and burning it for nothing. Plus the timber prices in our area are in the crapper right now and so on.

SO,, a "rick" is 64 cubic feet of wood ??
OR,, a 1/2 cord ?? ok..


" A cord of wood by definition is 4 feet tall by 16 feet long ranked and stowed. "
OK,,how wide ?? two foot wide would be that 1/2 cord,thats fair..
darned if i know what "ranked and stowed" is ! LOL !!

" Where I live in North Arkansas we sell wood by the rick 4 feet tall and 8 feet long. Usually priced around $40 for stove wood 18 inches long per rick (half cord). " that is NOT a 1/2 cord..that is 48 cubic feet,a 1/2 cord is 64 cubic feet..so on a full cord they are losing 32 cubic feet..take that away from 128 cubic feet and that leaves 96 cubic feet of wood !! almost 1/3 a cord short..
BTW: a "cord" of wood by definition IS 128 cubic feet..period..


" The Arkansas Bureau of Standards has imposed precise regulations, which stipulate that all firewood sold in the state must meet standard measurement requirements and must be sold only as a cord, fractional parts of a cord, or in terms of cubic feet. A cord is 128 cubic feet of firewood. To be sure you have a cord, stack and measure the wood. To be sure you have a properly stacked cord, the wood should measure:
• 4 feet wide, 4 feet high, and 8 feet long (4 X 4 X 8 = 128); or
• 2 feet wide, 4 feet high and 16 feet long (2 X 4 X 16 = 128). "

http://ag.arkansas.gov/newsroom/index.php?do:newsDetail=1&news_id=279

any questions ???
arkansas does NOT recognise a "rick" only "cord"..
 
How many ricks in a cord? Come on now, 2 ricks or face cord 24" long 4 feet high and 8 feet long, shorter the wood the more rick it takes. 16 and 18" wood they get three rick or face cord. Don't imagine it's any different where you live. The sad part here as I've stated before is that good split oak only brings 35.00 per rick, or 70.00 per cord 48" wide, 48" tall 8 feet long.
Many of our customers buy by the rick, with the economy the way it is instead of by the cord, even though for the shorter wood buyers they would get an additional rick for the money. We'll have one customer that has bought in excess of 35 cords or 70 rick 24" wood for his Hardy, heats around 4500-5000 sq ft uninsulated shop he uses as a tractor repair shop. Cheaper than 2.00 gallon propane.

Most wood is purchased by the cord although nationally, there is a trend toward selling firewood by weight and by small bundle. However, a cord is the accepted unit of measure.

" A standard cord is 128 cubic feet (Figure 1). This may be 4 feet by 4 feet by 8 feet or 4 feet by 2 feet by 16 feet or any other combination yielding 128 cubic feet. A measure of one-third or one-half cord commonly has been called a "rick," although a rick is really only a pile of wood "

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http://extension.missouri.edu/publications/DisplayPub.aspx?P=G5450

Cmon now ??? yup,,even MO recognises "cord" or cubic feet as the ONLY legal measurment of firewood..even MO says a "rick" is only a "pile" of wood :)
before posting local legends or customs research a little..there is only ONE accepted manner of selling firewood in the US,, that is by the " cubic" foot..
 
95 percent of my load is nice split pieces. almost no small rounds. always red oak. its always quality stuff. i don't advertise falsely. almost all the people that bargain or say too high ask what kind of wood it is. which tells me they don't know much about it anyway. i have delivered four loads in one day with a helper for two of them. the first two loads were 22 miles one way and the second two were 12 miles. we busted our tails that day. the old chevy ate twenty gallons total that day.
 
I sell maybe 4-6 cords per year on the side. My price is firm at 150$ for a heaped 8ft bed pickup load, and is seasoned 1 year on my property. Its always ash, hackberry, hedge, and mulberry unless they ask otherwise.

I deliver and stack if I dont have to carry it. If they dont want to pay that price, I just keep it and burn it. We all know how hard of work it is to process firewood from start to finish, and Im not gonna do it for free. I usually turn down several people because I only sell it if the situation is right. If they try to bargain on price, the conversation is over.

I can't even get $100 a pickup truckload, mounded up like my avatar. That's 75 cubic feet of split, dry hardwood, unloaded and stacked. Around here, people are too lazy to burn it and both propane and natural gas are too cheap to buy. I am helpless.
 
The legal definition is exactly why they get a minimun of cord when we sell in Missouri has the same legal definition. That's why when the order a cord of word they get at least 3 rick or face cord of 16-18" wood and two in they order 24-28" wood. Very few people here order by the cord, it's usually in "ricks". I believe there is far more value in selling wood than money, it's been an interesting season, have taught four boys the value of work, they don't need too, mommy and daddy could give them anything they wanted and spoiled them when they were little, but I figure if I can teach them to work at 14, 16, 16 and 17 then they'll do all right in life. They don't carouse around and raise hell, they are too tired, they go sleep early as well, they're saving money for college, learning the value of a dollar and spending time with family in the great outdoors rather than sitting on their azzes in front of a TV or video game. I'll damn sure guarantee for their weight and size they are as stout and in as good as shape as any of the weight room jockeys, the two that play basketball have stamina like the coach hasn't seen.
Any one of them can hand file a chain or use the grinder, it has motivated every one of them to be a good student and pursue something easier when they get older, not that there's anything wrong being in the wood business, there's easier ways to make a living. I hope they raise their kids the same way.
 
The legal definition is exactly why they get a minimun of cord when we sell in Missouri has the same legal definition. That's why when the order a cord of word they get at least 3 rick or face cord of 16-18" wood and two in they order 24-28" wood. Very few people here order by the cord, it's usually in "ricks". I believe there is far more value in selling wood than money, it's been an interesting season, have taught four boys the value of work, they don't need too, mommy and daddy could give them anything they wanted and spoiled them when they were little, but I figure if I can teach them to work at 14, 16, 16 and 17 then they'll do all right in life. They don't carouse around and raise hell, they are too tired, they go sleep early as well, they're saving money for college, learning the value of a dollar and spending time with family in the great outdoors rather than sitting on their azzes in front of a TV or video game. I'll damn sure guarantee for their weight and size they are as stout and in as good as shape as any of the weight room jockeys, the two that play basketball have stamina like the coach hasn't seen.
Any one of them can hand file a chain or use the grinder, it has motivated every one of them to be a good student and pursue something easier when they get older, not that there's anything wrong being in the wood business, there's easier ways to make a living. I hope they raise their kids the same way.

good for you on all that. The point of contention was little more meaningless. weights and measure of a cord of wood. universally stops at something like 4'x4'x8' tightly stacked. rick and bundles and the like don't figure here.
 
Advertising:

As far as the advertising goes...

I use Craigslist starting in September (seems early, but there's always people itching to start burning at the first cold snap). Make sure you post a pic or two of your load so the customer can visualize better. Emphasize "seasoned" and "measured accurately". Remember to refresh your listing when necessary.

I use local newspaper classified ad where necessary ($20 or so to list is worth it) ...

>Week before Christmas.
>When you see a snow storm or cold snap approaching in the forecast. Get your ad in a 4 or 5 days ahead of time if you can b/c usually you pay for 5 to 7 days for an ad.

Pic of a fat cord I sold earlier this year. I usually stack just a tad less.
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I sell seasoned perfect red oak and have it for $100/lot. I have a good location and get customers just driving by. I do not deliver anymore and I do not negotiate. My "lots" are just over a face cord. I never use any terms like ric, cord or face cord with customers because everyone wants to be an "expert" or knows one who wants to throw their 2 cents in.
My sign is very rough but effective it says "this wood lot for sale $100 cash, as is, where is, not negotiable, please save all stories of hardship etc for your pastor. Call ......for arrangements".
I realize I am limiting my market but wood is a supplimental business for me and I really enjoy watching people cram oak in minivans, trunks and backseats. Mabye I will post pics next time I get a funny one.
 
Haven't sold any on the side yet, being it is my first year at cutting wood since I moved into my in-laws old house in July(learning the hard way to get ahead on my stack). But, considering the amount of work/time that goes into it, consumables(gas, bar oil, chains), and wear and tear on the saw/splitter/truck, it doesn't seem like $70-90 a truck load(pretty much the going rate in this area) leaves much room for your profit.
 
The legal definition is exactly why they get a minimun of cord when we sell in Missouri has the same legal definition. That's why when the order a cord of word they get at least 3 rick or face cord of 16-18" wood and two in they order 24-28" wood. Very few people here order by the cord, it's usually in "ricks". I believe there is far more value in selling wood than money, it's been an interesting season, have taught four boys the value of work, they don't need too, mommy and daddy could give them anything they wanted and spoiled them when they were little, but I figure if I can teach them to work at 14, 16, 16 and 17 then they'll do all right in life. They don't carouse around and raise hell, they are too tired, they go sleep early as well, they're saving money for college, learning the value of a dollar and spending time with family in the great outdoors rather than sitting on their azzes in front of a TV or video game. I'll damn sure guarantee for their weight and size they are as stout and in as good as shape as any of the weight room jockeys, the two that play basketball have stamina like the coach hasn't seen.
Any one of them can hand file a chain or use the grinder, it has motivated every one of them to be a good student and pursue something easier when they get older, not that there's anything wrong being in the wood business, there's easier ways to make a living. I hope they raise their kids the same way.

AS long as you deal honestly and give a good value and get properly compensated for your labor there is nothing wrong with that..
bringing the young ones up that way and and helping them get used to an "honest" work ethic is the best thing you can do for them !!
sounds like you have your hands full and you are being a "great" mentor to the boys..sounds like you are doing a fine job man,,kids " nowa days" need more people like you to show them the value of good honest work..
the honesty in your firewood selling also teaches them financial responsability..GOOD for you !

My thing was not to diss on anybody for what they sold wood for but to show what the manner was that firewood was measured by..
If you feel sellers and buyers should both get a good deal then you should sell by what the state recognises as the standard measurment of firewood..
tell the customer ,educate the customer,,let them know that there IS a standard and YOU follow it ! dont let them get ripped off by somebody else and they will be greatfull for the little effort it takes you..
we work TO hard to sell an honest amount of firewood,,i hate it when somebody sell a "truck load" or "rick" or whatever they call it it and the customer spends more on them when they could have got an honest amount from me for less money..
so for all you guys that work hard and sell honest,,,good for you..!
 
I have been selling fire wood the last couple years, on the side sort of thing.
I just sold the last I had for this year, I burn wood myself also.

I just sell to friends, and they pick it up also. I just been getting $100 for a full cord. If I had a good delivery method, I might try that, but would have to get more for it.

I have sold 10 cords that way each of the last 2 years. I guess I'm going to have to try and get more done in the future.:)

It started out that a friend was short of wood, and asked if I had any he could buy. I said sure, then word just kinda spread amongst mutual friends.
Now I can't keep up..lol

Just have to work harder I guess.

:cheers:
Gregg,
 
Firewood is one of the most underpaid jobs out there. You have

  1. an expensive vehicle that gets conisderable wear and tear from banging around the woods
  2. an expensive saw that gets considerable wear and tear from cutting the timber
  3. your body that gets considerable wear and tear from the strenuous work
  4. the value of the trees processed

Add all that up, and you are not too high by any means. And, as others have said, if you are selling what you cut, you may be too cheap.

Smartest thing you have ever said here Space.
 
Clearing up what I said earlier

Ok so here it is. We sell wood in my area like this. Widow X calls and says I need a rick of wood. The only question I ask is stove or furnace. Now I instinctively know stove wood is 18" long is stove and 24" long is furnace. But I always ask first, one guy has a soapstone stove and buys only 16" wood (rare). Anyway Widow X expects a 4' X 8' stack of wood in the correct length for her application. Now I also know that the correct measurement a cord of wood is 128 cuft, but thats is not what she asked for. She asked for a locally slanged RICK. Which in hillbilly (northern AR) stands for 4' X 8' stack of wood in the length of your choice. I'm not trying to argue that I'm right, but the manner in which we sell wood in my area. I'm one of the handful of people left that cut wood to sell. Most have died off or quit to do something easier or with a greater return on investment. I still do it because I like it. It also gives me a chance to involve both my kids in something that I hope will teach them a good work ethic and respect for people who actually work. Now being that said I would not pick this for a career for anyone full time, but it helps me fill in some gaps in income. I used to sell 125 plus rick a year, but since the town nearby got natural gas I might do 50 now. This has been a really cold winter so far so I expect to run out of seasoned wood soon and do more business next year. Global Warming LOL.
 
I can't even get $100 a pickup truckload, mounded up like my avatar. That's 75 cubic feet of split, dry hardwood, unloaded and stacked. Around here, people are too lazy to burn it and both propane and natural gas are too cheap to buy. I am helpless.

Thats nowhere near 75 cubic feet..
this truckload was stacked and came up to 62 cubic feet..a lot more than in the truck in your avatar..maybe i stack tighter than you ??

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notice it is a long bed,notice wood piled higher than the roof,notice the bark falling off.to get a real 1/2 cord in a 8ft bed you have to stack it..
 
I was a little off topic earlier...

I sold about 7 cords two years ago. 15 cords last year. About 30 cords this year. At this rate, I've got my work cut out for next year. (Just me and it's a side business).

$200 seasoned cord (delivered and stacked)
$100 half (same)

Another pic or two... :givebeer:

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