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My $38 saw cuts wood and my $500 saw cuts wood, guess which one puts the biggest smile on my face.
Looks to me like Europe isn't gonna last long anyway thanks to Angela and her liberal friends...You just remembered me why I usually don't last twenty minutes in a room with an American...
Looks to me like Europe isn't gonna last long anyway thanks to Angela and her liberal friends...
Not everyone. I refuse to buy one.Absolutely nothing new in this thread. Products have been produced in china since decades. This topic seems to come up every half year with the same paranoia beliefs expressed.
If you want anything without chinese components, we won't be hearing from you anymore. Not any electronic product on the market without any chinese component in it. Beginning wit rare earth metals, which china happens to be the largest worldwide producer by far, ending with that smartphone everyone loves.
Good luck in phantasy land!
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Europe wouldn't be Europe if the US hadn't stepped in. I think you're taking a lot of liberties saying Europe is "on top".History shows that Europe has been through much much worse and landed back on top. Seeing as the new prez wants to keep building in the USA I can see more and more call for highly skilled labor and THAT will be coming from Europe courtesy of Angela and her liberal friends.
Europe wouldn't be Europe if the US hadn't stepped in. I think you're taking a lot of liberties saying Europe is "on top".
Having worked both in Automotive Manufacturing and Stihl I have to correct a few idioms here. I have toured the Stihl China plant and can sate that I heard a great deal Of English and German spoken. The machinery was that same as I saw in Waiblingen, the labor and the generous tax breaks, free building sites and skilled labor make it attractive. I think this Made in the US mentally has gone terribly wrong. I recall Tim Cook being asked why the apple iphone is made in china. He looked rather uncomfortable but answered he said you can take all the tool and die makers in the US and put them in a large boardroom.. then he said a name of a small Provence in china and stated you would need 2 football fields to place their tool and die makers in. Having worked in Automotive for about 25 years I have been across the ponds many times and I would see the same machinery and materials BUT the only difference I saw was the labor force. They would work for less, work harder and still produce the same top notch products. There was never a night shift because the workers did not have their 15 breaks during the day. It is a different world out thee gents. You evolve or you die.
food for thought..
The U.S. debt to China is $1.115 trillion, as of October 2016. That's 29 percent of the $3.841 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19.9 trillion debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself
Having worked both in Automotive Manufacturing and Stihl I have to correct a few idioms here. .... I think this Made in the US mentally has gone terribly wrong. ..... Having worked in Automotive for about 25 years I have been across the ponds many times and I would see the same machinery and materials BUT the only difference I saw was the labor force. They would work for less, work harder and still produce the same top notch products. There was never a night shift because the workers did not have their 15 breaks during the day. It is a different world out thee gents. You evolve or you die.
food for thought..
The U.S. debt to China is $1.115 trillion, as of October 2016. That's 29 percent of the $3.841 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19.9 trillion debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself
The root cause is the declining net energy return of our fossil fuel energy sources. It takes ever more energy to get every unit we burn. That translates directly into increased costs. All sorts of games are made to hide those costs and to shift them off to others in order to pretend things work, but the costs don't go away. They percolate through the entire system, making things that used to work fail. The biggest way they manifest is in terms of systemic debt, and the costs of that debt must be serviced.Why did that happen. What happened to the American companies and institutions.
The root cause is the declining net energy return of our fossil fuel energy sources. It takes ever more energy to get every unit we burn. That translates directly into increased costs. All sorts of games are made to hide those costs and to shift them off to others in order to pretend things work, but the costs don't go away. They percolate through the entire system, making things that used to work fail. The biggest way they manifest is in terms of systemic debt, and the costs of that debt must be serviced.
The increasing costs of debt and energy meant there was not enough return on investment in factory production, even with shifting costs off to others, and so manufacturing stuff was no longer profitable enough. Some companies went all-in for even more automation, but that leaves them vulnerable to further energy cost increases. Others reversed factory automation by sending manufacturing overseas where it could be done by almost free manual labor. Shipping costs must be dealt with, but ships are pretty efficient.
Naturally, once things started to go downhill and owners didn't believe that manufacturing would be a long term benefit to them, they began stripping any assets out of the organizations they could. Then we graduated a generation of MBA who believed in something for nothing and didn't understand anything about what was happening. They shipped anything and everything overseas to make numbers look good in the next quarter, hoping to make themselves look good and get promoted out of that group before things went wonky.
Beware anyone who says they can fix it. We could certainly make better choices about the dumb stuff we've done, but you can't fix the fundamental cause.
The Chinese Stihls are junk, plain and simple. And they are going to tarnish the brand's image over time because they are low quality and riddled with problems...oftentimes straight from the factory. Stihl is trying to compete with the market share of cheap box store brands while riding the coattails of their namesake. If the S/N starts with an 8, just say no.
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