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forcedintoit

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MERRY "CHRIST"mas!

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Being Christmas day, thought I would share this link. Not trying to be the local idiot and more than usual or take away from the video, which was funny.:hmm3grin2orange:

But, Xmas is not a bad thing. Most non-Christians think it is a way around saying 'Christmas' and showing religion, but not really... read on:

"Abbreviations used as Christian symbols have a long history in the church. The letters of the word "Christ" in Greek, the language in which the New Testament was written, or various titles for Jesus early became symbols of Christ and Christianity. For example, the first two letters of the word Christ (cristoV, or as it would be written in older manuscripts, CRISTOS) are the Greek letters chi (c or C) and rho (r or R). These letters were used in the early church to create the chi-rho monogram (see Chrismons), a symbol that by the fourth century became part of the official battle standard of the emperor Constantine.

Another example is the symbol of the fish, one of the earliest symbols of Christians that has been found scratched on the walls of the catacombs of Rome. It likely originated from using the first letter of several titles of Jesus (Jesus Christ Son of God Savior). When combined these initial letters together spelled the Greek word for fish (icquV, ichthus).

The exact origin of the single letter X for Christ cannot be pinpointed with certainty. Some claim that it began in the first century AD along with the other symbols, but evidence is lacking. Others think that it came into widespread use by the thirteenth century along with many other abbreviations and symbols for Christianity and various Christian ideas that were popular in the Middle Ages. However, again, the evidence is sparse.

In any case, by the fifteenth century Xmas emerged as a widely used symbol for Christmas. In 1436 Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with moveable type. In the early days of printing typesetting was done by hand and was very tedious and expensive. As a result, abbreviations were common. In religious publications, the church began to use the abbreviation C for the word "Christ" to cut down on the cost of the books and pamphlets. From there, the abbreviation moved into general use in newspapers and other publications, and "Xmas" became an accepted way of printing "Christmas" (along with the abbreviations Xian and Xianity). Even Webster’s dictionary acknowledges that the abbreviation Xmas was in common use by the middle of the sixteenth century."

From the website: http://www.crivoice.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! Roger
 
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Interesting! The "X" in X-mas does in fact stand for Christ, so it is not improper to write it that way. It goes back hundreds of years. I saw a hisory show on tv this morning explaining that very thing.
 
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I call hogwash on much of that story.

Printers would not have had much incentive for abbreviations -- though they did use them.

Abbreviations are most likely to be used by people manually copying manuscripts. THAT'S tedious because it's all handwriting.

Printers would've simply picked up on the written abbreviations.
 
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Hate to jump in here but I agree, should be Christmas, not xmas, the US is trying to remove God from everything, schools, money, the pledge, etc... and we can see the results from it. Christmas trees make great bonfires!!!! ;)
 
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Being Christmas day, thought I would share this link. Not trying to be the local idiot and more than usual or take away from the video, which was funny.:hmm3grin2orange:

But, Xmas is not a bad thing. Most non-Christians think it is a way around saying 'Christmas' and showing religion, but not really... read on:

"Abbreviations used as Christian symbols have a long history in the church. The letters of the word "Christ" in Greek, the language in which the New Testament was written, or various titles for Jesus early became symbols of Christ and Christianity. For example, the first two letters of the word Christ (cristoV, or as it would be written in older manuscripts, CRISTOS) are the Greek letters chi (c or C) and rho (r or R). These letters were used in the early church to create the chi-rho monogram (see Chrismons), a symbol that by the fourth century became part of the official battle standard of the emperor Constantine.

Another example is the symbol of the fish, one of the earliest symbols of Christians that has been found scratched on the walls of the catacombs of Rome. It likely originated from using the first letter of several titles of Jesus (Jesus Christ Son of God Savior). When combined these initial letters together spelled the Greek word for fish (icquV, ichthus).

The exact origin of the single letter X for Christ cannot be pinpointed with certainty. Some claim that it began in the first century AD along with the other symbols, but evidence is lacking. Others think that it came into widespread use by the thirteenth century along with many other abbreviations and symbols for Christianity and various Christian ideas that were popular in the Middle Ages. However, again, the evidence is sparse.

In any case, by the fifteenth century Xmas emerged as a widely used symbol for Christmas. In 1436 Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with moveable type. In the early days of printing typesetting was done by hand and was very tedious and expensive. As a result, abbreviations were common. In religious publications, the church began to use the abbreviation C for the word "Christ" to cut down on the cost of the books and pamphlets. From there, the abbreviation moved into general use in newspapers and other publications, and "Xmas" became an accepted way of printing "Christmas" (along with the abbreviations Xian and Xianity). Even Webster’s dictionary acknowledges that the abbreviation Xmas was in common use by the middle of the sixteenth century."

From the website: http://www.crivoice.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! Roger

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Symbols can be far more powerful than words.

The subject of this thread is a tempest in a teapot and a massive display of ignorance and stupidity. Believers need to pull their heads out of their butts and read up on early church history before they display their ignorance to unbelievers.

The following symbol was posted outside the door of the earliest first century church in Jerusalem. The Apostle, Shimon Kefa (or Simon Peter), was the Pastor.

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Borcu et Yeshua HaMelech Mashiach Hamavorach L'Olam Vaed
(Bless Jesus, The King - Messiah, The Blessed One, For all eternity)
 
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"The subject of this thread is a tempest in a teapot and a massive display of ignorance and stupidity. Believers need to pull their heads out of their butts and read up on early church history before they display their ignorance to unbelievers."

Boy some folks just take the fun out of everything!
 

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does it really matter what the hell people call it?

isn't it about the spirit of the holiday?

unbelievable that some people are so damn hung up on words. i can see why so many get turned off. it's a pagan holiday, for christ's sake, and i doubt any god could care less what you called it as long as your heart is in the right place.
 
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Yes it's about the spirit of the holiday (the holiday being Christmas) but it's where that spirit came from that is what is significant in the whole thing. The whole reason we celebrate, and the way we celebrate by giving gifts is and was always intended to be centered around Christ, our Lord and Savior. If you don't believe in that, then I don't believe Christmas is a holiday that you ("you" being no one in particular) should celebrate.
 
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does it really matter what the hell people call it?

isn't it about the spirit of the holiday?

unbelievable that some people are so damn hung up on words. i can see why so many get turned off. it's a pagan holiday, for christ's sake, and i doubt any god could care less what you called it as long as your heart is in the right place.

I agree! Its unbelievable how some people can get worked up into emotionally immature tirades over revisionist trivia.

There is no such thing as "Christmas" in the Bible. Messiah Yeshua was born during Sukkot, not Dec. 25. Messiah's obedience, resurrection and victory over death is far more important than Roman Catholic propaganda.

"Holiday" means "Holy Day" for crying out loud.
 
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If that is the case, then why do certain people get "offended" when people say Merry Christmas and not Happy Holidays these days? It's been Christmas since the origin of the holiday, and I believe it should stay that way.
 
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We celebrate Christmas but we aren't Christian, go figure. I prefer happy holidays because we just have fun and exchange gifts but leave the rest of it for the religious. No Christmas tree, no candles in the windows, no lights, just plain greed and commercialism. Got my wife some nice snow boots and a high end raincoat :hmm3grin2orange:

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"Chi Rho" (translated as "X" in English) is a Greek symbol or synonym for "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior".

Passive people in the pews need to question false teaching from their pastors. Stupid pastors need to return to the basics of the Bible.

The inventor of Christmas, the Roman Catholic Church, is loaded with the paganism and humanism of Babylon, Greece and Rome.

Personal relationship with "Chi Rho" (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior) is more important than Christmas.

Personal relationship with "Chi Rho" (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior) is more important than pagan holidays.

Personal relationship with "Chi Rho" (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior) is more important than humanism.

The Two Babylons
http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/the-two-babylons/introduction.html

The Two Babylons or The Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and his wife.
http://www.freegraceresources.org/twobabylons.doc

http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/00index.htm
 
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Personal relationship with "Chi Rho" (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior) is more important to me than Christmas.

Personal relationship with "Chi Rho" (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior) is more important to me than pagan holidays.

Personal relationship with "Chi Rho" (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior) is more important to me than humanism.

Fixed it. :hmm3grin2orange:
 
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That was a great video! I am so thankful that we live in a country that was founded upon Christian principles which enables us to express our views.

I would rather live my life as a Christian and die finding out there is no GOD, than to live my life as a non-Christian and die finding out there is a God.

Once you get to that point, there's no backin' up!!!! Just sayin......

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!!
 

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