If You Chew Snoose Will It Make You a Logger?

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Kind of hypocritical of a man to say he likes to smell a little cigar smoke, something that can give him and others second hand smoke cancers, but wont tolerate a snuff dipper who'es habit isnt hurting anyone but themselfs. I guess it doesnt really matter to me what he thinks, I wont be working for him and if he started his bull with me, he would get a eye full of juice.
 
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Yeah Bob I think it really boils down to a respect issue. I've seen guys spitting sunflower seed hulls a foot deep in a cat cab, it ain't so much what your doing as it is how your doing it. Ken

Yup. We had a guy running loader who was one of the best shovel men we ever had. He never missed a day of work, was never late, was easy on the machine, didn't smoke, chew, or even cuss much unless it was called for. He got along with everybody, even the truck drivers.
But he'd eat sunflower seeds all day long. You can eat a lot of sunflower seeds in twelve hour shift. I don't care how careful you are those shells will eventually migrate into every nook and cranny of the cab. Then I think they start to reproduce.
He'd clean out the cab every once in awhile and if the mechanics were coming up to work on his machine he'd clean it out real well. He was old-school...he knew that a boss will get over being pissed off but a mechanic probably wouldn't.:laugh:
 
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That's alright. My guys are pretty much imported with me when we go in to do a job. I can't say I hire many locals unless I need to sub something out. It's pretty clearly written in the contract you sign with me that summarizes the terms of your employment. If you can't go without chewing for 8 hours, you probably have a bigger issue and I don't want you on my crew.

I don't mind the smell of a black n' mild wafting through the open air every once in a while, but I will die before I have a spit cup in one of my vehicles and machines.

If you were referring to when I was/am on Rescue 31, I can do most of my work with 3 guys.

Pardon me if I ruffled some feathers, but that's how I roll. If you're on my crew snd play by the rules, and there aren't many, I will have no problem keeping you on and we'll work fine and dandy together. I am the company owner and the crew boss, and I busted my balls to get here. After two written warnings, the third is your dismissal.

Now I understand the background to that phrase under your name. Seems the only guys proud of that title are those who hold it.

Probably a good thing you import your work force with you. Ever wonder how much experience, production and skill you and your company have missed out on, for something as minor as chewing tobacco?

Out of curiosity, why is smoking approved of, but smokeless is not?



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I don't really care much if people smoke, chew, whatever... (just no drinkin or druggin , what you do at home I don't care, but my life is on the line here so ya better have your **** together at work...)

I really don't like people spitting on equipment... its more then just gross, to me its rude, and a sign of disrespect for the equipment, and the company. Don't care if you spit just do it where its not going to be a mess that I have to deal with.... ever...
 
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Exactly right. There's logging... and there's a bunch of stuff that isn't logging.
There's also a lot of people who think they're logging but they're really not.
We seem to have one of those here lately.
Anybody who openly advertises themself as "The Supervisor you don't want to have" probably wouldn't be the kind of guy most loggers I know would want to work for.
Most of the side rods and bullbucks I've worked with never had to advertise the fact that they were the boss. They brought their skills with timber, people and machinery to work, not their ego.
 
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You know, (spit) you can open a window, usually, sometimes, unless it is stuck except make sure you are in the back seat or that the back seat person has their window shut sos no spit flies in. Should you be forced to wash the crew bus, the chewers get to do the sides.

Hmmm, I kind of feel like Heloise's Hints but those adult sippy cups make good spit cups because they don't spew all over when tipped.

No, I only chew food.

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You know, (spit) you can open a window, usually, sometimes, unless it is stuck except make sure you are in the back seat or that the back seat person has their window shut sos no spit flies in. Should you be forced to wash the crew bus, the chewers get to do the sides.

Hmmm, I kind of feel like Heloise's Hints but those adult sippy cups make good spit cups because they don't spew all over when tipped.

No, I only chew food.

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Wash the crew bus? Doesn't the shop just steam clean it....inside and out...every few months?
 
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Most of the side rods and bullbucks I've worked with never had to advertise the fact that they were the boss. They brought their skills with timber, people and machinery to work, not their ego.

There is a big difference between the boss who "demands" respect and those who "command" respect. I usually enjoy working for the latter, and learning from them. Their ego is mostly checked, their experience and ability lead the way. You can tell which kind they are almost as fast as they step out of their truck. If that doesn't tell ya, watching their crew will tell you everything you need to know, not talking to them so much, but watching them.



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Holy **** its ****in loggin! Not some ****in sunday social. Smoke, spit, whatever. If a guy spits in the cab of the machine hes running then hes probably beatin the **** outta the machine too. Other than that we work in the woods. I quit smokin years ago, but if I was single I'd probably still be doing one or the other. Show up to work on time, sober, and ready to kill some timber or move some logs.
 
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The boss of my boss's boss showed up to do an audit. Somehow, I usually ended up being the victim of audits. I had a brand new Chevy pickup, in Forest Service white. The members of the cluster were coming out to get in vehicles to head out to the timber sale. The big boss, whom I had worked with in our early years, walks up to my brand new pickup and says, "A NEW TRUCK! Well, we might as well get it over with cuz it's going to happen." and scrapes his foot with calks on on the pristine edge of the lower doorway. Oh well, it did get scraped eventually as they all do.
 
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Now I understand the background to that phrase under your name. Seems the only guys proud of that title are those who hold it.

Probably a good thing you import your work force with you. Ever wonder how much experience, production and skill you and your company have missed out on, for something as minor as chewing tobacco?

Out of curiosity, why is smoking approved of, but smokeless is not?



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To be honest, I haven't thought about it because it's really a non issue. I have a great group of guys, who like to work for me because I'm a laid back guy who sends them in a direction and then lets them do their job- the "Supervisor you don't want to have" tag is a joke. If they break something they know to call me, and I won't chew on them or dock pay, they know they cost us production. I don't have to remind them of that. Screw ups happen. I won't send you packing for that.

I do not own most of my equipment. I lease much it from season to season. That's why I don't allow smokeless. I would hate to have to deal with the dealer after a spit cup dumped over in a 400,000 dollar hoe during an already user-friendly lease agreement. It seems logical to me. If you smoke, it has to be out of the cab. If we're in a fire danger area, nobody smokes either. The problem is that you can't dip in the amount of time it takes to smoke. If you're out of a cab chewing is fair game. I probably should have said that in the first post. Whoops.

It's not a personal problem. It's a problem of liability.

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I usually dont visit the loggers forum. Kind of got here by mistake this time. I started cutting wood when I was around 6 yrs old working with my dad. I started chewing when I was around 10 or 11. Started out with beechnut pouch tobacco. One of the timber cutters used to chew that brand and he offered some to me. Hind sight says that guy should have been kicked in the rear end for giving tobacco to a small kid. Anyways, whether its tobacco, snuff, twist, plug, pouch, or alcohol and drugs, they are all habits that are hard to break. Certainly habits to be discouraged. Having chewed/dipped for over 40years, I dont need some smartass with a chip on his shoulder to totally disrespect me because they dont like my habit. They dont know me, havent worked beside me, nor have they walked a mile in my shoes. To think they are better than everyone else and not have any kind of tolerance for others,, well, to me it shows just how little a person they really are. They might think highly of themselves, but I am certain others dont see them in the same perspective.

I dont smoke, never have, yet i work with many that do. I think smoking is a lot worse than dipping simply because smoke just doest effect the smoker, but every one around them also. Still, My co-workers smoke and its not up to me to make them quit. As long as they make a reasonable effort to not smoke around me, what they do is their business. If they are smoking and I walk up to them, I dont tell them to put their cigaretts out, and I dont spit my snuff in their faces. If I am in the cab of a machine and a smoker climbs up there with me, I will ask them to not smoke in my cab. No problems unless the smoker wants to get beligerent and showing his butt. If they respect me, I will respect them, blow smoke in my face and expect something nasty in return. Its not my way or the highway, the road runs 4 ways, north, south, east, and west, the direction you take will show whether your a leader or just another yapping dog in the pack.
 
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All of our equipment now has sealed cabs. You can't open any windows or the door while operating. This pretty much prevents anybody from smoking in the equipment. Most of the guys chew though, and manage to not make a huge mess. I think the kind of care a person takes of the interior of the cab is usually a fairly accurate indicator of how they treat the rest of the machine.
 

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