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Hey troll, I just checked the Jonsereds book it says 12,500 rpm in this country!!!
jonsered 2165 ?'s
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Mike mandry
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Well, I will add my 2 cents in here.
I have a bone stock 2065 (mild muffler job) that wears a 20" & Stihl RS
It does just fine in full bar cuts.
I had it out yesterday cutting white oak & it flew right through it with no problem at all.
I have a bone stock 2065 (mild muffler job) that wears a 20" & Stihl RS
It does just fine in full bar cuts.
I had it out yesterday cutting white oak & it flew right through it with no problem at all.
SawTroll
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It does here as well - I was trusting my memory, and it was off......:jawdrop:
Max rpm of the 2165 ia 12500, not 13000.
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spike60
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Sorry 2095, but now a days they are exactly the same, minus the cosmetic stuff you mentioned. Same internal parts and even the same part numbers. (Jonsered numbers however use a dash between the 3rd and 4th digits).
Earlier generations of saws such as your 2095 were indeed different from corresponding Huskies.
Jonsered2095
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Yes, maybe so...
No, I do not. Though I would expect a testing facility such as this to produce competent results.
That is interesting. Are all parts the same? I realise the bore/stroke are the same. Is the cylinder the same [port timings]/crank case/muffler all the same too? The carb can be the same on 365 and 2165, though they have two options each [Walbro HD12B/Zama C3M-EL2C].
Definately. More so at least.
Not engine perfomance, but a good question.
I have found both Husqvarna and Jonsered spec.s produce a consistency with DLG's findings that one is 'torquier' and one is 'peakier', for these two models at least.
The differences being:
365
Power, kW/rpm = 3.4/9300
2165
Power, kW/rpm = 3.4/9000
This may seem minor but the same peak Hp developed at a lower rpm is indicative of a flatter Torque curve.
Point is: they are still different. I have written to Jonsered NZ to establish any point(s) of difference, so far without reply. Perhaps some are the same and some are not.
Husqvarna 365: http://weborder.husqvarna.com/order_static/doc/HOEN/HOEN2005/HOEN2005_1150094-26.pdf
Jonsered 2165: http://weborder.husqvarna.com/order_static/doc/JOEN/JOEN2005/JOEN2005_1150095-26.pdf
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Freakingstang
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Why did Husky offer the same ZAma carb on the 365 and then the later models had the Walbro, because the zama had low end troubles on both units.
I have had a 2071, 2171, 371, 372 apart and checked port timing. You aint gonna find enough differences in them to make them run any better than one another as far as performance goes... Emissions is a whole nother matter. The older 2071's and 371's had single ring pistons which seemed to make a little more snot than the newer two ring piston models.
Remember that they made a couple differant p/c variations over the years. There was an open port and closed port cylinder, which had differant ratings, but there wasn't a method to the madness, that I have found. The open ported earlier 365's/2065's had more torque, but less rpm and HP than the newer ones.
Take a brand new 2171 apart and a 372. You will find all of the same parts, with the exception to the color and the top covers and handles will be the only differences.
To answer someone else's question, yes the trigger assy will work, it just won't be the right color
SawTroll
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I agree with everything else you wrote, but I believe the handlebar mounts on the tank/rear handle is different also, because you can't change the handlebar to the other brand, and have the mounts match on the tank - pics to prove that was posted here some time ago.
SWE#Kipp
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13000rpm max, I believe, and a pretty decent saw - but the power to weight ratio is not top-notch - that doesn't matter much in the yard, but it does in the woods.......
The MS361 is a better option there, as it is much lighter and more nimble, and the max rpms are quite a bit higher, with little loss of low rpm torque, if any......
I don't argue with the fact that the 361 is a good saw but hardly a "nimble" one, was on my way to buy one a couple of weeks ago but compared to my 357 it feels a bit "fat azzzed" to use your words
though I would probably buy the 361 before 365 ,,,,
Here is a pic of a 365/372 handle on a 2065.
SawTroll
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Looks about like the other pics I saw, it sort of fits, but really not......
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Thats the conclusion I came to as well.
spike60
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spike60
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There are absolutely no differences regarding internal parts. There may be some confusion due to some of the changes that have taken place over the years. The point to remember is that both the Jonsered and Husky models received the changes at the same time. So they are consistant in that regard. But if you are comparing two saws that were built a few years apart, you might wrongly conclude that there is a difference between models.
I started a thread a while ago titled "365; the confusion continues" where I went back through the IPL's and service bulletins and chronicled the changes to the 365. There were an awful lot of changes to the 365/2165, but very few to the 372/2171.
SawTroll
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Jonsered2095
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Some good information from some knowledgeable people.
But, all I can say is.......why?
Check out the Power ratings below taken from the respective websites current .pdf docs that I posted earlier. You will also notice the 372 is different in Australia.
And for those that believe a higher Hp saw of similar displacement will out pull a Torquier saw: below is the recommended bar lengths for the above.
But, all I can say is.......why?
Check out the Power ratings below taken from the respective websites current .pdf docs that I posted earlier. You will also notice the 372 is different in Australia.
And for those that believe a higher Hp saw of similar displacement will out pull a Torquier saw: below is the recommended bar lengths for the above.
spike60
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Different examples of a particular model tested by different entities, with different fuel in different parts of the world will yield different results.
Much the same as different car magazines getting different 0 to 60 times for the same model car. Don't sweat the specs!
Much the same as different car magazines getting different 0 to 60 times for the same model car. Don't sweat the specs!
SawTroll
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That was a great tread, thanks for the reminder!
Finally was able to rep you for it, as I "promised"! :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
SawTroll
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That sure is true, and I believe no two saws of the same model will perform exactly the same either.
