Hey thanks for the info S Tebo, I truly have no clue about specifics to area or model specifics when ordering. For example say a 440 or 441 and larger most dealers and saw shops here in Oregon have them outfitted with the oversize "falling" dawgs, 3/4 wrap handle, roller chain catch, and chip deflector like you mentioned. Not being hornery for the sake of argument, just had never seen what a fallers saw the 660 with a 1/2 wrap handle. Oh and not gloating either that those are so easily aquired in my area, if I could swing it I'd buy them up and sell to you folks who want those setups that can't get a hold of them. Good visiting and safe cutting sir