I just had a weird conversation with him. He was talking about working it up for me, then abruptly said he didn’t like that saw (CS-271). The 2511 was a powerhouse, but he didn’t like the other saw, and doesn’t want to get involved. Then I said what longer bar would you put on the 2511, and he said he didn’t want to get involved in my project. And ended the call.
He's a strange cat for sure. Another one is hotsaws101, there must be something in the water up that way, we'll need
@Logger nate to confirm though
. I've spoken with both of them, neither will do anything for you if they get the slightest vibe they don't like. With Rich it seems to be he doesn't want trouble with the epa for building custom saws. He had a problem a bit ago with the guy you talked to from eBay basically stealing his name too, so I think he's lost trust in outsiders, or those he perceives may stick it to him somehow, not that he got that vibe from you per se. With Jack it seems to be he wants to work with guys who know nothing about the internal workings of a saw, I think some of that is he doesn't want others seeing/using the tricks he uses for porting, and he can get top dollar for his work. I have no problem with him charging whatever he wants to do a saw, if he's building a quality product then it will pay for itself if someone is working with it, and that's usually who he builds for is other fallers.
I talk to echo corporate and let them know what a Richard this guy is. That's bs. There has to be someone near you that wants to sell saws. Not sure if you do Facebook but it's a good place to post a grievance on their home page.
Understand that it's his prerogative to work with guys he wants to when it comes to customization, that has nothing to do with being an echo dealer in my mind. I've refused to sell saws to guys in the past and probably will in the future. I sold a great running ported saw to a guy, he got it and it wasn't running right, he was wanting to adjust the carb and take it to the dealer. I said ship it back and paid for shipping and refunded the full amount he paid for it. When I got it I found it had a small hole/crack in the fuel line, replaced it and sent it back. He still wanted it and paid for the shipping and the repair. The part I haven't told you is how he just keep running it and running it "to see what was wrong with it", even included a 5-6 min video
, see what it does, and how it acts, and..., the whole time I was like
, shut it off, and the video just kept going on and on as I could hear the saw was lean
. When you sell a specialty item to someone who doesn't understand what they are buying or how to maintain it there can be problems for both parties. The good thing was he is a reasonable guy, or I would not have even sold him a ported saw. Having sold much yourselfI'm sure you've had a doozy of a customer you could tell some stories about, let them come
.
Yes, but he’s the one who knows about changing to a 1/4 pitch chain. Maybe I’ll just get the saws, then figure it out. Or go to YouTube to do research, I haven't looked much there yet.
He doesn't have a corner on that market, it's been discussed many times on most all the forums I'm on.
@Ketchup can you give some tips on installing a stihl bar or 1/4 pitch bars on the echo 271/2511.
So I’ll go ahead with the purchase.
I haven’t found anything to back up Rich not liking the CS-271. I found several favorable reviews. Most YouTube videos are “Look at my new saw”, those don’t help me. A few were of people who have been using them for a time.
That's what I would do.
That second video had a bunch of scary stuff in it
, but they got it done, and will get better with time
.
I think either saw will do just fine, most likely you will find that the added weight of the 271t will be just fine with the chain supplied as far as the bounce, with the lighter 2511t it's more of an issue. Much of it can also be corrected/lessened with changing the chain profile to be better tuned to the saw. I take the cutters back a little with a slightly larger file(cleaning out the gullet adjusting the side plate angle to have less forward lean) and leaving the rakers where they are.
All the echos are very choked off at the muffler, I think they just detune them so they can pass epa regs. Most of them are very easy to open up many without doing any grinding or welding at all, but just taking the deflector off and removing the restrictor.
Chain tuning, muffler mod and retune the carb, are the quickest and easiest mods. Then a timing advance is the next thing.
Here's a link.
Couple videos, not the best, but
@blsnelling has a couple videos showing before and after that show the benefits of the mods.
https://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/what-do-i-do-with-my-echo-cs-271t.248757/