SawTroll
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It is just a coincidence if a Stihl model number adds up that close to the engine size - try to do the maths on sume other models......:msp_rolleyes:
Stihl MS 362 as good as the MS 361
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It is just a coincidence if a Stihl model number adds up that close to the engine size - try to do the maths on sume other models......:msp_rolleyes:
SawTroll
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Belgian isn't anywhere close to brain dead, even though we disagree some times - but I do't know about you - when you use such words on here, about a highly respected member......
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Hey Smartarse yourself,
With all your wisdom and experience, can you tell me why you started a thread about the 362 comparing to the 361, when you clearly claim there's no reason to buy a 362 ????
Who are you to claim that Stihl has gone the wrong way with the 441, 261, etc ??? Are you the newly appointed EPA specialist and saw expert in the market ?
Since you value QUALITY, as you said earlier, what is wrong then with the quality of their new saws.. ?
A lot of questions, I know, but you make an awfull lot of "know it all" claims. I never mentioned I was a pro, so I am curious to hear from a real PRO, hehe.
Finally, are you going to buy a new 361 or 440 ?
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Just a question from someone who doesn't have much expertise in all the techno-linguo regarding saws:
What advantage would be gained in increasing the CC's if the HP and weight remained the same? If the MS362 were 70cc and 13.x pounds and 4.6HP, what advantage would it have over the current 60CC, 13.x lb and 4.6HP model? Or is it a given that with the increase in CC the PTW ratio would increase as well? Just curious.
What advantage would be gained in increasing the CC's if the HP and weight remained the same? If the MS362 were 70cc and 13.x pounds and 4.6HP, what advantage would it have over the current 60CC, 13.x lb and 4.6HP model? Or is it a given that with the increase in CC the PTW ratio would increase as well? Just curious.
sunfish
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Increase CCs and the HP goes up.
Weight usually goes up too, so the ratio stays about the same.
snowycol
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Increase CCs and the HP goes up.
Weight usually goes up too, so the ratio stays about the same.
Seems like that would defeat the purpose of making the MS261 60cc, the 362 70cc and so forth. Better would be an MS262/363 where they have found a way to shave off some weight and/or increased the HP somewhat. Or am I yet missing something?
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Increase CCs and the HP goes up.
Weight usually goes up too, so the ratio stays about the same.
Usually, but not necessarily. The porting of the cylinder and the compression ratio has a big influence.
As cc's increase, torque usually does too. Then again, porting influences torque.
SawTroll
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Increase CCs and the HP goes up.
Weight usually goes up too, so the ratio stays about the same.
Usually, yes - but not always.
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I think we can say this, as Stihl saws are updated, their weights increase. There may be exceptions, but I can't think of any. This is largely true across the industry.
I realize that. Regardless, my formula works on the 361 and/or 362 rather well. I've often thought Stihl must have done this on purpose for the 361. I don't know of any other model numbers that come close:
(Mod No.) / 100 x 16.387 = cc displacement
perhaps MS 360/361/362 only. Anyway, Troll, if I had to throw all of my saws but one away, I'd keep the 361. The rest would go.
SawTroll
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The 361/362 numbers are "inherited" from the 036/360, since they replaced those - and your formula doesn't add up on the 036/360, as they are 61.5cc. It is much further off on some other models though :msp_wink:
Well, that explains why you like the MS 361. Stihl reduced slightly the size of the engine, decreased the overall weight, and bumped the available horsepower, thus maximizing the HP-to-weight ratio. That's also why I was rather surprised to hear that the 362 weighs more than the 361 but delivers about the same power. That's progress? To me, it's a step backward. Same horsepower but more weight to lug around.
Glad I bought my MS 361 back in 2007.
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SawTroll
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Looks like Husky have broken that "code", with 560xp/562xp - both are lighter than the 357xp they replace, and the older 262xp....
sunfish
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My statement (More CCs=more HP) was broad and general. I do realize there is a lot more to the game. :msp_wink:
The OP want's more CCs/power for the same weight. But it is what it is. Maybe he needs to take a closer look at Husky.:msp_wink:
SawTroll
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Well, that explains why you like the MS 361. Stihl reduced slightly the size of the engine, decreased the overall weight, and bumped the available horsepower, thus maximizing the HP-to-weight ratio. That's also why I was rather surprised to hear that the 362 weighs more than the 361 but delivers about the same power. That's progress? To me, it's a step backward. Same horsepower but more weight to lug around.
Glad I bought my MS 361 back in 2007.
Basically yes, it was the 60cc saw with the best power to weight at the time I bought it + the reports on the AS indicated it was an excellent saw.
Also, the Euro 361s were a bit "hotter" than the US ones at the time (EPA), while the 362s are the same everwhere.
It looks like the 560xp is even better by now - time will tell.......:msp_wink:
The Count
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Is the 560xp on the market yet ?
I have checked their items and other than an 20$ increase in prices I haven`t been able to see anything.
I have checked their items and other than an 20$ increase in prices I haven`t been able to see anything.
SawTroll
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There are several references to the 560xp/562xp on different Husky web-sites, but neither are actually listed as availiable yet - it has been postponed several times already, according to my dealer (and Spike60 in the US)......
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The 361 qualifies as small, the 362 does not.....
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belgian
I currently have three MS361's, two are BRAND NEW. Today I sold my 2009 MS440 and replaced it with a NEW (MS362 ? MS441 ? - NO WAY) NEW MS440 that I found after extensive searching.
The fact that there is a market for big bore kits for STIHL & Husqvarna greatly supports my position. STIHL makes EXCELLENT saws but screwed up on this one major point.
Hey I really like the NEW MS362 & MS441. What I don't like is the added weight without the added cc's.
STIHL improved the 028, 032, 038 saws with the lighter and more powerful 280, 360, 044/440.
Should they not of continued that progress with the MS261, MS362 & MS441? Which could easily be 57cc, 70cc & 80cc respectively. How sweet that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I truly acknowledge the improvements on with the new STIHL's - no argument there. They need to go a little further and up the cc's and complete the package. :msp_wink:
belgian
I currently have three MS361's, two are BRAND NEW. Today I sold my 2009 MS440 and replaced it with a NEW (MS362 ? MS441 ? - NO WAY) NEW MS440 that I found after extensive searching.
The fact that there is a market for big bore kits for STIHL & Husqvarna greatly supports my position. STIHL makes EXCELLENT saws but screwed up on this one major point.
Hey I really like the NEW MS362 & MS441. What I don't like is the added weight without the added cc's.
STIHL improved the 028, 032, 038 saws with the lighter and more powerful 280, 360, 044/440.
Should they not of continued that progress with the MS261, MS362 & MS441? Which could easily be 57cc, 70cc & 80cc respectively. How sweet that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I truly acknowledge the improvements on with the new STIHL's - no argument there. They need to go a little further and up the cc's and complete the package. :msp_wink:
