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Sounds good put that information in bold print the next time you do an offer, if you choose to do one. Be upfront, specific with the details and make sure to place the liabilities in writing where you would like them to be as soon as possible. You are literally publicly offering to install free to you possibly un-tested promotional items in someones privately held possession for your profit over the Internet. That is a risky situation for everyone involved.

Please be more careful. Good luck with this.

Your points are well taken.
 
Been a lurker here for a while and can't believe the knowledge found here. Great site. Here it comes... wait for it.... but man! I can think of only one other forum I visit that even gets close to beating on members like AS. Crazy. Brad, I admire your input here (see my first sentence) the only thing that makes me question your intelect is... why you keep coming back for more. Hang in there, I have a couple of 372's I'd like to send your way someday.

Let's all just take a deep breath... hold... exhale. There, isn't that better?:)
 
I have a question for Mr blsnelling. Have you kept your tax records for filing of taxes you need to pay on your small business for this year in the State of Ohio? Like the rest of us had to in the past in our home states with our small business.
Other words are you legit and have your vendors license to pay your state and city taxes for work you are sending out of state and out of country? The web trail tells all.

If not you will be contacted by the Ohio Department of Taxation shortly jmo. Better get things right and in order and get them records straight. :cheers:
 
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No not really. But don't do this for a pride issue as no one wins.

What does Brad DO? The perception is he builds performance saws and looks at components from that stand point. If they work well for Brad, he's a test for the bleeding edge and therefore a superset of most saws. (Hard core production saws are a different story) Why would a normal CAD person be interested? Because:

1) This is a possible alternative to OEM
2) This is a possible BETTER alternative to OEM
3) This is a possible BETTER built in the USA alternative to OEM
4) This is a possibly BETTER than OEM alternative, built in the US of A, and can be had either from a keyboard or a phone call.
5) All the 1-4 issues with an outside possiblilty of a true performance gain..
6) Forged Pistons have been used in bleeding edge performance applications as they can be more durable in some situations than cast (Key word is some)...and that might appeal to the production sawyers.

All of those things makes this interesting. All Brad has done is link this product to his business by asking if there would be interest in testing a new product...sort of like a motor builder asking a few to try a new aftermarket carb setup (new jets & slide) before going to market with it..same thing.

With these saws, the piston volume and windows has to have some impact of saw performance. I know that Golf piston I put in a saw was both bigger and had smaller windows than the OEM....that contrary to a priors expert post looked to be forged...but I don't know for certain..yet.

This has nothing to with pride.... But I guess we just are on opposite end of the spectrum here.

I understand what Brad does, and what he is Interested in. The difference is that for this instinst it was advertised as..... .[/QUOTE]It's time for some testing. As you may know, I don't get to run my saws a lot. Many of you do. What I'm looking for are individuals that are high hour volume users that could run these new pistons for some durability testing. What would happen, is you would send your saw to me for installation. I will be doing fit and finish evaluation on these piston. The piston is free to you. You only pay me $50 labor and shipping both ways.

These are direct factory replacements with no performance enhancing features. However, they are forged and should be more durable. I'm only interested in saws that are currently in perfect running condition. No exceptions. I'm not looking to rebuild anyones saws in this deal. Please be honest with me. [/QUOTE]

He was looking to Test only an OEM replacement to see how it reacted to Long term use, NOT PERFORMANCE (in his terms of perfomance anyway). So that is why I am saying that these test should have been done from the Manufacturer, which they probably already were.
 
Brad offered to so something for several in line who may benifit, may not. customer, Baileys, etc.

Now he's the bad guy? Yes maybe things should have been thought through a bit but I'm certain his intentions were made of good heart. Maybe several valid points were not thought of or approched in a proper manner, but it's only his problem and not yours.

So grow up fella's. Let him keep providing a service for those who wish to use the services at small price, makeing a few bucks to help the family enjoy life, buy special tools and gain knowledge.

How many of you fella's can put a degree wheel on a saw and know what it's telling you, make the calculations and do the work, have the tools and knowledge to do so and get positive results every time? It's a small price to pay, it may seam like a lot but I can tell you he's not getting rich..... I guess he better bump the price a bit to cover the reported income, or leave it the same, cash the checks and buy the groceries and the gas. I don't care if he burries it in a shoebox in the back yard. It's his business and not yours.

And $50 to swap a piston, repackage a saw, sounds like an honest fee to me. It alwayse takes longer than one thinks, and time to ship it back ads up. WHat about all the time spent communicating with the customer? There's no free lunch.
 
Brad offered to so something for several in line who may benifit, may not. customer, Baileys, etc.

Now he's the bad guy? Yes maybe things should have been thought through a bit but I'm certain his intentions were made of good heart. Maybe several valid points were not thought of or approched in a proper manner, but it's only his problem and not yours.

So grow up fella's. Let him keep providing a service for those who wish to use the services at small price, makeing a few bucks to help the family enjoy life, buy special tools and gain knowledge.

How many of you fella's can put a degree wheel on a saw and know what it's telling you, make the calculations and do the work, have the tools and knowledge to do so and get positive results every time? It's a small price to pay, it may seam like a lot but I can tell you he's not getting rich..... I guess he better bump the price a bit to cover the reported income, or leave it the same, cash the checks and buy the groceries and the gas. I don't care if he burries it in a shoebox in the back yard. It's his business and not yours.

And $50 to swap a piston, repackage a saw, sounds like an honest fee to me. It alwayse takes longer than one thinks, and time to ship it back ads up. WHat about all the time spent communicating with the customer? There's no free lunch.


Wow is all I can say to that.:chainsaw:
 
Well I'll put my butt on the line for this...

Anyone that meet me at a GTG knows I'm a pretty laid back,,quiet type person.....Everytime I go to a GTG see all kinda stuff I never imagined....I would love to see alot of people on AS I never meet at diffrent GTG's as well...It's just a love I have for alot of people on here.........
All I ever used was Mcc's and the 028 super ....I thought I would buy me a new saw,,and went and got a Stihl 210 and first thing I had trouble with it...I did a search and found AS and joined and posted I had trouble with it in the idle,,new saw,,,me being proud didnt wanna take it back cause it might be something simple and it was....
Then I kept readin and bought my 440 used from the PNW...My 260 pro new cause I wanted a smaller saw that was lighter limbin with...They had a raffle on AS and I won the 346xp on my birthday and I always was hardcore Mcc. Stihl fan ,, I hated Husky's,,,you can read in my early posts I made fun of the primer bulbs on them,,,I said,,and you can read back,,I said primer bulbs suppose to be on weed wackers,,not saws,,, till I ran this one the first time...What a dumbass I was....
I would have never got into millin if I never found this site,,and in the milling section,,yeah,,,damn good folks on there...They wanna share everything they know....You dont read anyone slammin anyone in the millin section,,cause they wanna help each other...It's like I remember Gink had this Idea and his fixture he made for millin,,,well it turned out to work good....He had alot of input into it,,but all to help out,,and we was all curious to see how it would work..At the GTG he tryed it for the first time..We all had a fun time watchin him and all the hard work he put into his idea...It did work good folks.......
Andy left...Why??? Cause of people giving him hell when he wanted to help someone???They didnt agree with him and started to blast him into dirt till he said the hell with it... No only him,,but alot of good people with years of knowledge left...
It's all about the enjoyment we have with or saws.....Look,,you go to your people you work beside and start talkin about oh,,,I gotta 346xp that runs 14000 rpm's and they would look at you like your fuc*ing on drugs,,and wouldnt have a clue what your talkin about....
We all better start stickin together,,or the fun is gonna end....Think about it....
 
Anyone that meet me at a GTG knows I'm a pretty laid back,,quiet type person.....Everytime I go to a GTG see all kinda stuff I never imagined....I would love to see alot of people on AS I never meet at diffrent GTG's as well...It's just a love I have for alot of people on here.........
All I ever used was Mcc's and the 028 super ....I thought I would buy me a new saw,,and went and got a Stihl 210 and first thing I had trouble with it...I did a search and found AS and joined and posted I had trouble with it in the idle,,new saw,,,me being proud didnt wanna take it back cause it might be something simple and it was....
Then I kept readin and bought my 440 used from the PNW...My 260 pro new cause I wanted a smaller saw that was lighter limbin with...They had a raffle on AS and I won the 346xp on my birthday and I always was hardcore Mcc. Stihl fan ,, I hated Husky's,,,you can read in my early posts I made fun of the primer bulbs on them,,,I said,,and you can read back,,I said primer bulbs suppose to be on weed wackers,,not saws,,, till I ran this one the first time...What a dumbass I was....
I would have never got into millin if I never found this site,,and in the milling section,,yeah,,,damn good folks on there...They wanna share everything they know....You dont read anyone slammin anyone in the millin section,,cause they wanna help each other...It's like I remember Gink had this Idea and his fixture he made for millin,,,well it turned out to work good....He had alot of input into it,,but all to help out,,and we was all curious to see how it would work..At the GTG he tryed it for the first time..We all had a fun time watchin him and all the hard work he put into his idea...It did work good folks.......
Andy left...Why??? Cause of people giving him hell when he wanted to help someone???They didnt agree with him and started to blast him into dirt till he said the hell with it... No only him,,but alot of good people with years of knowledge left...
It's all about the enjoyment we have with or saws.....Look,,you go to your people you work beside and start talkin about oh,,,I gotta 346xp that runs 14000 rpm's and they would look at you like your fuc*ing on drugs,,and wouldnt have a clue what your talkin about....
We all better start stickin together,,or the fun is gonna end....Think about it....

Nova.:popcorn:
 
I want to apologize to Brad for jumping in on the feeding frenzy, but it it did to appear like a slightly underhanded deal, charging the customer to take the risk.
 
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There is enough density in this thread to float a lead keel.:dizzy:


Brad, keep up the good work. That was not a bad offer and I don't think you have a single thing to say sorry for. They shoot at you because you are at the top and they are not.

To all of you that think you know so much about testing and business--Get over yourselves.

To those who tried in a nice way to offer advice to Brad, thanks for being classy and having some manners.

This thread stands as a colossal monument of shame to AS because of the know-it-alls once again having their fun. :mad:



Mr. HE:cool:
 
I have a question for Mr blsnelling. Have you kept your tax records for filing of taxes you need to pay on your small business for this year in the State of Ohio? Like the rest of us had to in the past in our home states with our small business.
Other words are you legit and have your vendors license to pay your state and city taxes for work you are sending out of state and out of country? The web trail tells all.

If not you will be contacted by the Ohio Department of Taxation shortly jmo. Better get things right and in order and get them records straight. :cheers:

you're a sad human being.....
 
WOW, 19 pages of men #####ing....

If you don't want him testing on you're saw dont, but why attack him and ##### for 19 pages?

I will say it could have been thought out a bit more, but I see brad trying to help someone like he always does and I see him being attacked and everyone telling him what his plans were. Lots of bad blood?

:popcorn::popcorn::help:

:cheers:
 
There is enough density in this thread to float a lead keel.:dizzy:


Brad, keep up the good work. That was not a bad offer and I don't think you have a single thing to say sorry for. They shoot at you because you are at the top and they are not.

To all of you that think you know so much about testing and business--Get over yourselves.

To those who tried in a nice way to offer advice to Brad, thanks for being classy and having some manners.

This thread stands as a colossal monument of shame to AS because of the know-it-alls once again having their fun. :mad:



Mr. HE:cool:

And yet you ADD to the "shame" you speak of by poking the Hornets nest.... Funny how it just keeps going isn't it.:chainsaw:
 
And yet you ADD to the "shame" you speak of by poking the Hornets nest.... Funny how it just keeps going isn't it.:chainsaw:



Sure is, but if everyone else wants to have their say I'm just as entitled to have mine. Sometimes I keep my mouth shut and sometimes I speak up, isn't it great to live in a country where we can each choose to do that as we see fit?



Mr. HE:cool:
 
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