Are all of these modded saws reliable, dependable, and will they last?

[GASoline71]

2 observations...

1. Who in their right mind would modify a saw 60cc's or less?

2. There has got to be more cryin', whinin', finger pointin', mud slingin' and othe BS in this thread than any other in awhile...

For Pete's sake. Some of you cats sure can make a cool forum a joke by all the crap that gets spewed on a daily basis. All they are is chainsaws for cryin' out loud.

I will say this once. Knock it off. You know who you are.

Gary

 

[2stroked2smoke]

I'm curious. Can anyone honestly say that their modified saw wore out faster than their stock saw. Has anybody ever run stock saws and a modified saw and compared lifespan. I don't want speculation. I want an answer from someone that can truthfully answer this.

 

[ECsaws]

Looks to me like the original question has been answered several times.. Just my .02 if a modded saw doesn't "decrease" the life, there hasn't been much modifying done to it. I always figure if your going to spend the $ or time to have/ mod your saw may as well get all ya safely can while do it. I wouldn't have a clue how much life is lost. I have many saws in pro fellers hands that have been running daily, Like someone said most dont live that long because of other mishaps so it's a mystery.
I do how ever question the race chain theory vs the ported saw . If anyone on this forum can file a full chisel chain and gain 35- 40% I want one. and can guarantee you can sell more than you want to make. I know some of the best going and know no one that good.

 

[tlandrum]

so mr owl how many tanks does it take to get to the bottom of a saws life

 

[mdavlee]

I think it's somewhere between 5 and 5000.:help:

I've been away from internet except my phone a little for a day or so and just now caught up on the thread er soap opera. :rolleyes2:

 

[sachsmo]

2 observations...

1. Who in their right mind would modify a saw 60cc's or less?

2. There has got to be more cryin', whinin', finger pointin', mud slingin' and othe BS in this thread than any other in awhile...

For Pete's sake. Some of you cats sure can make a cool forum a joke by all the crap that gets spewed on a daily basis. All they are is chainsaws for cryin' out loud.

I will say this once. Knock it off. You know who you are.

Gary

No one ever accused me of being in my "right mind". Why not mod a 60cc or smaller saw? Especially those that came with a cat, or plain choked up muffler. A little touch here and there with a "tootsie roll" never hurt either.

 

[Andyshine77]

Looks to me like the original question has been answered several times.. Just my .02 if a modded saw doesn't "decrease" the life, there hasn't been much modifying done to it. I always figure if your going to spend the $ or time to have/ mod your saw may as well get all ya safely can while do it. I wouldn't have a clue how much life is lost. I have many saws in pro fellers hands that have been running daily, Like someone said most dont live that long because of other mishaps so it's a mystery.
I do how ever question the race chain theory vs the ported saw . If anyone on this forum can file a full chisel chain and gain 35- 40% I want one. and can guarantee you can sell more than you want to make. I know some of the best going and know no one that good.

Couldn't agree with you more. We've had our tiffs, but It would actually be great if you posted here more, your years of experience and your work speaks for itself.

 

[MacLaren]

What are you talking about? I'm saying with a good chain aka race chain a stock 372 will out cut a ported 372 with unmodified RSC chain. My point, chain is a bigger factor than just having power. Clear enough for ya. I see Hill billy likes you idiot post.

Andy, how can you agree with Eric when youve wrote this?
BTW, what about the bet I offered you?

 

[Rounder]

Jesus H. Christ you guys are funny! I figure about a year on a ported saw for production timber falling. That equals about the average life span of the typical fire wood cutter's use.

So...port the ####in' thing. End of story. - Sam

 

[sawinredneck]

2 observations...

1. Who in their right mind would modify a saw 60cc's or less?

2. There has got to be more cryin', whinin', finger pointin', mud slingin' and othe BS in this thread than any other in awhile...

For Pete's sake. Some of you cats sure can make a cool forum a joke by all the crap that gets spewed on a daily basis. All they are is chainsaws for cryin' out loud.

I will say this once. Knock it off. You know who you are.

Gary

I can answer number one easy enough.
ME! I've always liked using the smallest saw needed to get the job done! Sure a big beast might be faster, sometimes. But most times it's overkill and weighs a lot more lugging it back and forth from the truck.
Now with my back issues, this is even more important to me! A hot rodded small saw can do the same work as a big one and not beat me up near as bad at the end of the day!

 

[GASoline71]

You can say it all ya want mang... but I will never see the benefit of modding a saw that was never intended to cut anything bigger than a 18" piece of wood.

Again... this is coming from the PNW knuckledragger in me...

If it weren't for timber fallers, fallin' big wood... there wouldn't be "woods ports".

Gary

 

[tlandrum]

you tell em gary im too dang mad

 

[Anthony_Va.]

If I modded a 60cc saw, it would mostly be because I wanted to have a little pocket rocket to play with. I think a ported 361 would be a blast to run for fun.
I always ran a stock 066 when I was cuttin trees for a living. Never knew about ported saws then. If I did, I would maybe had used a ported 440 or 460.
I can see the benefits of using ported worksaws for felling. Less wear and tear on the body after lugging a big saw around all day. If you can make a lighter saw cut wood as fast as a bigger saw then why not?
I agree with Gary that anything under 70cc does'nt belong in a fellers hands unless he's cutting pick-up-sticks. The hardwood we have to fell out on this side requires a strong saw. A 440 will struggle with some of the bigger trees out here. A 460 does pretty good on the 30" and under trees, and a 660 for 30"+. Now if I could have a 460 ported to cut with a 660 then why even bother lugging a big 660 around the woods all day?

Now also, i keep seeing this "show proof of ported saws putting more timber down". Why does anyone need to show proof. If one guys opinion is that ported saws put more down, and another guys opinion says not then thats just that. OPINIONS. Opinions need no proof. When you ask a question on here you mostly get opinions. When I need answers here, I know who to pay attention to and who to ignore. I need no proof. I don't care about proof. if I wanted proof I would have a saw ported and find out for myself. I dang sure would find out for myself before I came on here with an opnion about it.
One thing is for sure though, if a stock saw slices off a cookie at 10 sec., then after being ported it cuts a cookie off the same log in 6 sec., then porting a saw makes it faster. I can't see where the argument is in that. I know that is'nt the answer to the original post, but it's something thats been beat to death in this thread.

 

[Justsaws]

:musical-note:
Cow bell, here is some more.
:musical-note::musical-note::musical-note::musical-note::musical-note::musical-note:

You are welcome.

 

[Andyshine77]

Andy, how can you agree with Eric when youve wrote this?
BTW, what about the bet I offered you?

I was agreeing with the durability mostly. Not all 372's gain 35 40% and I have seen chain that will give you 35% If I had a race chain long enough I'd take the bet any day, especially if the owner of each saw runs and tunes their own saw.

Hillbilly let this go I am, don't be antagonistic.

 

[MCW]

Matt thanks for putting the question of productivity to rest, and for making an intelligent well thought out post, it sure seems like some here can only sling mud and get defensive when tough questions are asked.

What are you talking about Andy? I try to post something that makes sense and you have a sarcastic dig at me? You suck and if I could throw a handful of mud all the way to the US and hit you in the eye I would...

I just wanted to type something in the true spirit of this thread Andy, I didn't mean any of it

 

[wyk]

As I said previously, that 372 was, by far, the strongest 372 I have ever used. However, how does it pull a 36"-42"+ bar? How does it compare to the 394 then? Having said that, the bottom end on a 372 isn't made to take the stress it is going to see with a 36"+ bar all day long like a 394 is. Afterall, physics is physics; both saws are built using similar materials, the one with the bigger chassis will last longer under the same loads. Again, we're back to efficiency. I know the guys that play with saws VS work with saws don't really appreciate that aspect, but for you and me, and a few others, that is a big concern - how long will that 372 last doing 394 work? I mostly use my ported 385 for doing 385 work - just faster.

Im glad the OP got the answers he was looking for before our desent into "mine's bigger than your's " ! Anyway notwithstanding race chains, proof of increased production etc what I will add is I'm possibly the only member with saw's from both of the builders whom have posted on this thread and I have to say that saw's are so similar in power and the way they deliver that power that your money will be well spent with either if that's what you want to do.
On my Snellerized 441 I have a 28" ES Light bar and RSC chain and I know that my standard 441 would struggle with that on a daily basis and before anyone say's " it would be ok just take your time" Im at work not play, my Simonized 372 has a 24" and Oregon 72 LPX chain and 8 pin sprocket and has pretty much made my 394 redundant. I'm not saying that it is as powerful as the 394 but it's near enough that I'm taking the 372 over it for work. This is all in hardwoods Beech, Ash and Oak.

 

[spike60]

Cute dodge, but do you know of any pro loggers/tree pros than know how to sharpen a chain, run a chainsaw and still choose to run a modified a saw?? I can count all I know on no hands and I work in the industry. Mods are for homeowners and cookie cutters. Pros?? Please, don’t kid yourself.

Like it or not guys, and I know it flies in the face of all the fun we're having here, but for the most part this is absolutely true.

I certainly deal with a great many loggers and tree pros, and there is only one logger then I know of that runs ported saws. There is also one crew chief for a major tree company that has a couple of them for his own personal use, but doesn't take them to the job sites.

I do think that some more guys would enjoy running a mildy modded saw, if they gave one a try. But there are a lot of reasons why most pros won't do this. For one thing, these guys feel that the saws are expensive enough as it is, and throwing another couple hundred bucks into porting one isn't something that many of them would do. Tree service guys working in residential neighborhoods certainly don't want the extra noise from modded saws. I'm sure there's more reasons I'll think of.

Also keep in mind that porting/modding voids warranties, and most people, pros or not, aren't comforable with that idea.

Like I've said a bunch of times, here on the site we have a different perspective of things because we are all enthusiasts to some degree. We like saws, and we like modded saws even more. It's just different out in the real world.

 

[sachsmo]

Like it or not guys, and I know it flies in the face of all the fun we're having here, but for the most part this is absolutely true.

I certainly deal with a great many loggers and tree pros, and there is only one logger then I know of that runs ported saws. There is also one crew chief for a major tree company that has a couple of them for his own personal use, but doesn't take them to the job sites.

I do think that some more guys would enjoy running a mildy modded saw, if they gave one a try. But there are a lot of reasons why most pros won't do this. For one thing, these guys feel that the saws are expensive enough as it is, and throwing another couple hundred bucks into porting one isn't something that many of them would do. Tree service guys working in residential neighborhoods certainly don't want the extra noise from modded saws. I'm sure there's more reasons I'll think of.

Also keep in mind that porting/modding voids warranties, and most people, pros or not, aren't comforable with that idea.

Like I've said a bunch of times, here on the site we have a different perspective of things because we are all enthusiasts to some degree. We like saws, and we like modded saws even more. It's just different out in the real world.

Good points,

It is kind of like a top fueler, 8000 HP @ 500 CI = 4 second (or 1000ft) life span.
Take a mild 325 HP 500 CI engine = Countless hours, or 250,000 mi.+. Too many variables, but if you make a living with a saw, you want the longevity over the speed (if the speed compromises longevity)
OK, I'll shut up!

 

[dave k]

A couple of points that after reading some more of the posts, I'm quite happy that the way I'm using my ported saw's may result in an earlier replacement as the benifits I'm getting, less weight less fuel and one saw doing two saw's job's, is a good trade also even after the cost of the port work shipping etc still makes the saw more cost effective than running a stock saw because of the high price we pay over here i.e. I was quoted 799 euros for a 372 XP and that was with a discount of almost 200 euros !! this morning. As for running a 32" or more bar on my saw's I don't think that would be a good idea not in the wood I'm dealing with as I reckon I would be losing the benifits of a ported 70 ish cc saw so time for a 660 then !