ChainsawmanXX
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uh-oh I think I went and started a fight 
Will this happen to STIHL????
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weedeaterman
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GASoline71
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LMAO...
For pete's sake... the flip style caps has been beat to friggin' death. The recall was only on back pack blowers and trimmers. Not on "all" caps... Get used to 'em and learn to use 'em... or get a dumbed down Hudsqvarna.
There is nothin' wrong with the Stihl flip style caps. It's just a bunch of "the old way is always better" kind of mentality that keeps people complaining. Again... only a small amount are complaining anyways.
Gary
For pete's sake... the flip style caps has been beat to friggin' death. The recall was only on back pack blowers and trimmers. Not on "all" caps... Get used to 'em and learn to use 'em... or get a dumbed down Hudsqvarna.
There is nothin' wrong with the Stihl flip style caps. It's just a bunch of "the old way is always better" kind of mentality that keeps people complaining. Again... only a small amount are complaining anyways.
Gary
weedeaterman
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LMAO...
For pete's sake... the flip style caps has been beat to friggin' death. The recall was only on back pack blowers and trimmers. Not on "all" caps... Get used to 'em and learn to use 'em... or get a dumbed down Hudsqvarna.
There is nothin' wrong with the Stihl flip style caps. It's just a bunch of "the old way is always better" kind of mentality that keeps people complaining. Again... only a small amount are complaining anyways.
Gary
Now this is funny!
Gary is right it is a dead horse. What is the next funny topic?
Henry
koshari
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LMAO...
For pete's sake... the flip style caps has been beat to friggin' death. The recall was only on back pack blowers and trimmers. Not on "all" caps... Get used to 'em and learn to use 'em... or get a dumbed down Hudsqvarna.
There is nothin' wrong with the Stihl flip style caps. It's just a bunch of "the old way is always better" kind of mentality that keeps people complaining. Again... only a small amount are complaining anyways.
Gary
i cant say i have ever had an issue with the flippy caps, over filled the oil tank once and as i pushed the cap back on oil went everywhere but hardly the caps fault,
and as stated earlier i have experienced the older screws caps being to tight that the screwdriver slot get stripped opening them.
as for stihl being family owned i wonder who owns the regional distributorships? theres definately an issue there where australian stockists cant even get the saws from the national distributor cheaper than the US list price!
No, I Doubt It...
John Deere will not let it happen. Stihl will last at least 40 more years. That's my projection. Mac was victimized by bad management. Echo cheapened its product. So far, Stihl has not done that and I doubt that John Deere will tolerate that.
John Deere will not let it happen. Stihl will last at least 40 more years. That's my projection. Mac was victimized by bad management. Echo cheapened its product. So far, Stihl has not done that and I doubt that John Deere will tolerate that.
Really,,,Name one Stihl saw made 30 years ago that has no quaily like the MS170. All of the John Deere dealers around here sell Echo. That new CS500 really looks nice. Steve
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indiansprings
Firewood Purveyor
You guy's in OZ and NZ will never see decent prices on saws unless a mfg opens a mfg facility in country. You are paying for the freight from North America, Germany or Brazil plus all the import fees. If the market ever gets big enough in the pacific rim you might see them open a facility some where on that side of the world, but until then you'll have to get out the pocket book or get one of us to ship saws to you.
Glad to hear that! Deere still has it's head screwed on. I'll hold my Deere stock and buy more if it falls to 80.
Pssst... 1995 Echo 3900CS still running strong.
homelitejim
Full of Scrap
This is really a non-issue. Stihl will still be making chainsaws well after we are all dead. Most folks use a chainsaw for pruning and light firewood, thank you gas fireplaces, so a big bad firewood saw is no longer needed like the 045. Same goes with Husqvarna and Echo, the farm and ranch store sells a lot of home owner Huskys and they don't have any support or even parts. The Echo dealer has a parts department and a service department that rivals the local Stihl dealer. The EPA will make sure these saw company's will be around for a long time by making them sell saws that will not last as long as saws made 30 years ago, and happy homeowner is willing to oblige because he will think he is helping the planet.
I like my flippy caps.
I like my flippy caps.
ChainsawmanXX
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Very good point all of you. You sure know alot more then I do :hmm3grin2orange:
As far as im concerned Stihl really hasn't changed much except for there numerous Smaller CC saws that they supply today. But they are still just as reliable, Just as strong, as they were 30 years ago, Maybe alittle more plastic today..... But still :smile:
As far as im concerned Stihl really hasn't changed much except for there numerous Smaller CC saws that they supply today. But they are still just as reliable, Just as strong, as they were 30 years ago, Maybe alittle more plastic today..... But still :smile:
terry2tmd
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I hate to admit it, but you are dead right. I just want to get my hands on a good 066 before they kill all the big saws off! Oh! I like my flippy caps too! LOL!
MacLaren
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I hear ya on the 066. But if you do find a good one, ....I'll put it this way, the last new 066 I saw on e-bay went for $1,525.00
Aint that something?!
Rudolf73
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Our market size is definitely a contributing factor to our high prices on saws and for that matter most imported goods. However, from what I have seen, we in Oz pay similar prices to those in Europe where most of the pro saws are made. So if you look at it from the European point of view our prices seem quite reasonable. I assume the Europeans are protecting their dealers and profits by charging high prices and the Europeans themselves are willing to pay the price for a good quality saw. However, over the years the US has produced many of its own brands of saws and therefore European brands had to compete for their market share more than anywhere else in the world. As we all know, competition means lower prices and the Americans have gotten used the low prices over the years and they expect to continue paying the "low" prices. And due to the fact that America has such a large market for saws the manufacturers are able to continue providing these low prices.
On another note, thanks to the AS members that have been kind enough to help us with acquiring well priced saws
and you guys are so lucky to have the 440 back haha.
weedeaterman
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066
I have two, putting new upper end in. New Bar and Chain. Cleaning them up top to bottom. I have no idea their worth, I was thinking around 400-600 dollars.
Am I off on the price?
Henry
I have two, putting new upper end in. New Bar and Chain. Cleaning them up top to bottom. I have no idea their worth, I was thinking around 400-600 dollars.
Am I off on the price?
Henry
Streblerm
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What about the 015? To me that is the first homeowner saw Stihl made. Been around since 1973 according to Mike Acres site. I've worked on a few and other than the metal case they have cheap homeowner written all over them.
Streblerm
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I have a couple 020s and I would consider them far from homeowner junk. They were the predecessor of the mighty MS200, albeit a totally different design. They were designed as an arborist saw. I have had a few of them apart and I consider them a pro design with a twin ring piston and mag case.
If you'd have said 015, 009, 010, 011, I might agree with you.
What will differentiate Stihl from the masses is their distribution network and the strength of their brand (marketing and service). There will always be pressure from the market (stockholders, consumers, people, us) to produce cheaper saws. The VALUE comes in when people realize that this is a complicated piece of equipment and it needs special support. If that support isn't there then all that is left to do is compete on price and the power of the brand is gone. Once that happens the item you sell becomes a commodity and price becomes king. You cannot command a premium price for your product if the buying public doesn't perceive your product as a premium product. Stihl works hard to advertise in the right places. If you look at their homeowner saws, I still believe they are better pieces of equipment than the others. Stihl is fighting to keep their brand alive. I firmly believe they are trying to make the best saw they can at each price point.
IMHO the last gasp for a quality manufacturer is going to "box store" distribution. The lure is strong but you are basically telling the market that you have switched from producing quality oriented goods to producing price oriented goods because the box stores dictate what the price for the item will be. Companies like John Deere and Husqvarna are walking a fine line. They are producing models just for the box stores while they sell different models at their dealers. Snapper is the same way. They produce some pro quality equipment sold through their independent dealers and they also sell some stuff that looks remarkably MTD like at Sears. It is a slippery slope. Big (box store) distribution can mean big profits for a company, but it can also put them out of business. Once consumers can't tell the difference between quality goods and price point junk the "brand" means nothing anymore.
Only time will tell, but it seems that Stihl is pretty committed to their existing distribution model and quality products. Sure am MS170 or 290 is no comparison to an MS 200 or 362, but compared to any homelite/ryobi/mcculloch/ they are the king of their price point.
ChainsawmanXX
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Is this the kind of junk that Homelite wants to represent?
Rather then there classic old Muscle saws like ther 1000?
Is this the kind of junk that Homelite wants to represent?
Rather then there classic old Muscle saws like ther 1000?
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Ambull
OCD Muscle Saw Collector
It cracks me up how these threads always wind up with members bashing the "enemy" company.
The biggest hurdle IMO to these companies will be the EPA. If things keep going in the current direction, 4 stroke saws are right around the corner.
Suppliers who sell to Walmart make a lot less than 35-40% margins. I know because in my business those types of margins are unheard of, and they get even tighter on large contracts. Obviously I don't supply chainsaws, so that may be different. You are completely correct that Walmart will crucify its suppliers with returns. I wonder how many straight gassed saws end up getting returned to the vendor...... lots!!
The biggest hurdle IMO to these companies will be the EPA. If things keep going in the current direction, 4 stroke saws are right around the corner.
Suppliers who sell to Walmart make a lot less than 35-40% margins. I know because in my business those types of margins are unheard of, and they get even tighter on large contracts. Obviously I don't supply chainsaws, so that may be different. You are completely correct that Walmart will crucify its suppliers with returns. I wonder how many straight gassed saws end up getting returned to the vendor...... lots!!
MacLaren
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Absolutely not. I was just amazed at what an old new stock 066 went for on ebay. For what you have I would imagine your dead on. I would guess that one in pristine condition would be worth more though. Just really depends on who wants it, and how much they will pay. Just like that new 066 on ebay.
