the feathry truth
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1270d
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Good reading. Typical govt scam
Why am I not surprised? Don't think I've ever seen a spotted turkey in old growth, but I sure see a whole bunch of em in second growth...
Hardly the whole government. This was started by people who didn't like to see clearcuts because the view was ruined. Think 1970s when some in your face clearcuts were made in full view of I-90--Snoqualmie Pass on private land. That's when I remember the anti-logging mania starting.
It escalated. People discovered they could make money off of law suits and by creating a crisis. I'm making this simple. In 1990 or round there abouts, Jack Thomas (I think) was made Chief of the Forest Service and found out that the Northwest Forest Plan was unworkable. But he also started advocating hiring more "scientists" (biologists), which they did and they got rid of the timber and engineering folks. Now you have a biologist heavy organization, which must then be double checked by another federal agency --U.S. Fish and Wildlife. It is an employment system for biologists.
Foresters have to take classes and learn about botany, soils, wildlife, hydrology, etc. Biologists do not and tend to see in tunnel vision instead of the whole.
We now have a few timber sales sold, which are very complicated.
Our forest had a majority of it burned to a crisp in the early 20th century. It was reforested by the CCCs and nature. Timber grows fast and it is of a size that looks like old growth to lay people. So, it must not be clearcut and must be cut lightly, if at all.
When I first worked here in the 1980s, I was told that one of the mountains had been burned so hot and often by the Indians, that the soil was sterile. They burned a lot to make huckleberry habitat. Huckleberries were and still are important to the tribal folks. Tell that to anti-logging folks and they'll roll their eyes, ignore your input and keep on with their rhetoric. Unfortunately, there are more of them than us, and I can't see anything changing. Meanwhile, owl habitat burns up every year, just like it did in the past, before Europeans moved in.
I get sick when I think of all the work we put into the plantations, from picking out trees to harvest cones from, to thinning, and now they are off limits or will only have one entry for a commercial thinning, because they are to be managed for old growth characteristics. In fact, I'm feeling the rage start so must stop typing. It is all so stupid.
Until you loggers can come up with a touchy, feely emotional way to get folks to like logging, there is no hope. But I'm glad to see the guy got a PHD doing his research. We need more of those.
How come not very many people that live on this side of the hills even know about that huge fire, burned something like 6 whole counties and then some, along with another fire in oregon that was about the same? Oh yeah they don't teach about that stuff in school, had to talk to someone from PA to hear about the wobbly massacre in Everett... only stuff about how great the birds and stuff are and how we have to do everything in or power to protect them...
I thought the Wobbly Massacre was in Centralia?
Well, seems like marbley omelet population count is rather vague. When they start tossing around vague numbers like "about 6000", it's high time to bring in the big survey guns. Like the folks from Mad River Biologists. Highly scientific Spotted Owl and other surveys in remote, inaccessible areas. They probly know about this special bird.
Yup. Read more right here
There where a few wobbly massacres... seems the local fraternal orders of whatever thought the wobblies where all commie scum so they liked to have target practice on their camps... that and at the time the fraternal orders of whatever's members happened to own the businesses that the wobblies happened to be trying to unionize... at a time when unions where a good thing, minimum wage, 40hr week etc. I'll shut up about current union stuff...
As far as the marbled mullet or whatever, could it possibly be that evolution has kicked in and since dumb bird A (the mullet) can only spawn in location A, while smart bird B (the Stellar's Jay (not to be confused with the blue jay or camp robber a grey jay...)) can copulate anywhere and with people around, is bound to push out dumb bird A? blasphemy! Besides it say's right in the damn report that the mottled mullet can breed all the way north into Alaska, which tells me its not frickin dependent on redwoods alone...
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A coworker, who was a geologist but from a logging family, said he and another guy were bored one winter. They pulled out the owl location maps and did some unofficial research on their own, and discovered that the greatest number of owls were within easy walking distance of roads, and the nest locations petered out as the distance from the road increased.
They got caught and chewed out before they could do more "research".
Apparently, their wildlife folks didn't want to walk very much.
They got caught and chewed out before they could do more "research".
Apparently, their wildlife folks didn't want to walk very much.
I see what you did there.
Really.....? Check it out, certainly not 'conspiracy theory', but fact. Reality. In-process implementation, and affecting everyone, now.... But, this is exactly why I just 'let it go' a few years back, and just became resigned to seeing it all come-to-pass, and stopped trying to 'disturb people with reality'....
No offense, for sure. I understand. I appreciate and respect your skepticism.
Posts of this type belong in the Political forum. Your previous post was deleted. Please, no further mention of this in Forestry/Logging.
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Humptulips
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The Everett massacre was when shots were fired when Wobblies landed in Everett by boat.
The Centralia one was actully a lynching.
Workers of the world, awaken!
Break your chains. demand your rights.
All the wealth you make is taken
By exploiting parasites.
Shall you kneel in deep submission
From your cradles to your graves?
ls the height of your ambition
To be good and willing slaves?
CHORUS:
Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
Fight for your own emancipation;
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In One Union grand.
Our little ones for bread are crying,
And millions are from hunger dying;
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If the workers take a notion,
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Every ship upon the ocean
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Every mine and every mill ,
Fleets and armies of the nation,
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Men and women, side by side;
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But divided we will fall;
Let this be our understanding --
"All for one and one for all.''
Workers of the world, awaken!
Rise in all your splendid might;
Take the wealth that you are making,
It belongs to you by right.
No one will for bread be crying,
We'll have freedom, love and health.
When the grand red flag is flying
In the Workers' Commonwealth.
Joe Hill
Anybody remember that episode of South Park called "Cripple Fight"? Yeah, well, I got one better: 'Ologist Fight! See, the butterfly folks want some prairie firs removed, but the squirrel folks don't. Butterfly habitat will probably trump the squirrel issue because it's a Federal listed species rather than a "mere" state listed one. Can't say as I care one way or another -- my job is just to set up the sale. We'll see what happens.
Yes. I didn't witness it but we had a botanist who moved into the gubmint house that I vacated and she wanted shrubbery cut so she could have a garden. The wildlife biologist trumped her, until he retired, then the shrubbery was cut down. It was native shrubbery too. The wildlife biologist was one of the infamous lynx hoax 'ologists who sent a sample of lynx hair to a lab that was from a stuffed lynx. We'll never know for sure what their motives were.
twochains
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treeslayer2003 is not permitted to log where fox squirrels are in Maryland...that's crazy, we have the damn things running all over the place. I kinda like how they do things around here...they will protect something till it starts destroying something else they protect and then shoot the **** out of what they were originally protecting! LMAO...do I need to say that again? How about this... Blue Herons are protected, Game and Fish raise millions of trout, Blue Herons eat the **** out of trout, Blue Herons get the **** shot out of them now...clear? LOL!
treeslayer2003
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i'll send ya some eagles to go with the fox squirrels and blue herons lol.
... looks like the squirrel folks are winning. Weird.
Skwerrals are cuter than budder flies
