Dolmar 6100 vs ms362

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[nstueve]

Sorry old friend, but $200 is a completely relevant issue. Otherwise you can rationalize pretty much every expenditure in the same manner, and most are not independently wealthy enough to keep dropping extra hundreds on every single purchase. Especially when you, I and everyone else knows that any and every quality saw cuts wood, not just the two with the largest advertising budgets.

That right there about sums it all up. Dolmar is a pro saw company with great products but has not spent the world on advertising. Dolmar actually sells less ****** saws than all those homeowner grade Stihls that are over priced to pay for their advertising. But the lesser known saw will be found at the lesser known shop too. Everyone wants to carry Stihl for their name recognition. Any no nothing kid can sell stihls; It takes some true saw talent to run a successful dolmar dealership.

 

[Locust Cutter]

Bar interchangeability is less and less worrisome since mike is making CNCed bar adapters to make many many saws into 12mm compatible.

I wonder if this would fit better than the Bailey's version? I have a recently acquired 9010 that I'd like to strap my old 36" Stihl bar on to avoid buying a new 36" Husky/Dolmar mount bar... My 6401 is also very smooth and torquey and would likely give a 362, 562 or otherwise a run for it's money with a 20-24" bar. Not nearly as fast limbing, but a lot more torque. I did incidently fondle a 6100 at a local dealer earlier today... He was wanting $549+tax... If I can't find the receipt for my 562 to prove my purchase and thus get it looked at or send it to Randy, it may get traded in on the 6100. Is it as sexy? No. Does it feel good? Yes. I think it would do quite well in the Hedge I cut. Then again if my 562 goes to Randy, it might go in for the full-monty... Time will tell.

 

[Locust Cutter]

opcorn:opcorn:Hows the shoulderopcorn:opcorn:

Sore, but I'm getting movement back. I can raisemy arm about level with my shoulder now and am working on orbital motion... I'll be running that 9010 in a few months hopefully.

 

[Vibes]

This will be used for 6-10 cords of personal firewood a year of hardwood and virtually no felling of any kind . I want a light strong dependable saw around 60cc that will out perform my muffler modified 290 . Why doesn't dolmar get on the ball and offer dealerships to pro business types instead of fly by night small engine mechanics running their operation out of their basement

Because the pro business types , who know brand names are "pro business to make money" If you mention Dolmar to anyone other than a saw geek and they won't know what you are talking about. Dolmars niche in the market is what you are looking at. Dolmars market strategy must be what Dolmar is happy with. If you mention Dolmar even to a landscaper, who is supposed to be familiar with quality equipment, they don't know what you're talking about. It is what it is. Go get your saw from that lean too saw shop and run that sucka. The joke will be on everyone else.

 

[nstueve]

I wonder if this would fit better than the Bailey's version? I have a recently acquired 9010 that I'd like to strap my old 36" Stihl bar on to avoid buying a new 36" Husky/Dolmar mount bar... My 6401 is also very smooth and torquey and would likely give a 362, 562 or otherwise a run for it's money with a 20-24" bar. Not nearly as fast limbing, but a lot more torque. I did incidently fondle a 6100 at a local dealer earlier today... He was wanting $549+tax... If I can't find the receipt for my 562 to prove my purchase and thus get it looked at or send it to Randy, it may get traded in on the 6100. Is it as sexy? No. Does it feel good? Yes. I think it would do quite well in the Hedge I cut. Then again if my 562 goes to Randy, it might go in for the full-monty... Time will tell.

Mike made some specific 9010 to stihl 12mm bar adjusters and sent the bulk of them to me since I have 3x 9010/9000's. Send me a PM.

 

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Well this has been posted a few times so far, but for those not informed the 6100 was brand new and the 562 was from a customer...




Somehow these explanations always remind me of what another member in another forum wrote.
If this weight difference is to much for you, then you shouldn't be cutting wood in the first place. Because that wood is going to outweigh by a exceptional margin anything you are cutting it with!

As usual we see the same members in a thread that has to do with dolmar and as usual we see the same comments again and again. As if repeating would help them convince themselves...

@flotek
What I have read from a few exerienced users here in Europe is that if you cut mainly spruce/pine/fir/etc. then the 562/560 is the way to go. If on the other hand you cut mainly oak, beech and other hardwoods then you should look at the 362 or 6100.
Of course the mt version is the only sensible option of the two 362 versions available at the moment.

I would get a 6100 and be very happy with your savings. And I know that the same comments are always present beginning with "over the life time...". Well over the lifetime of the saw the cheaper saw will have included a spare bar and 1/2 dozen Stihl chains in the same price!

Good luck!

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Isn't the owner of that vid a Dolmar fanatic? Sort of makes it difficult to trust it. Got any third party tests?

Here in Europe, they do not differentiate the type of saw for the type of wood except when they talk 346 VS 261, really. And even then, they do less talking about that nonsense here than in the US. If you own Stihls, you generally buy another. Same with Husky. The 560XP is very popular now. I personally use a ported MS361 when I go 60cc, and also when I go 50cc as I dont cut wood small enough to generally warrant a 50.

Weight makes a difference. Why carry a 70cc saw if it displaces only 60cc's? I don't carry logs around all day, or up hill, but I do carry a chainsaw around all day. Weight always matters.

Wonder would a 6100 do this:

The 6100 in that video was less than 24 hours out of the box. Completely stock except for the 72LGX chain that was installed and carb screws were not even tweaked. The 562 was a customers saw (originally sold by Spike60). It was completely stock except for the spark arrestor screen missing and had a 68 DL 72 or 73LG chain that had slightly aggressive rakers. The Chains on both saws were touched up on the Franzen Robotic Grinder before the video where I ran the saws.

No one said that the Dolmar was faster and the 562 owner and I both made cuts with both saws and had very similar outcomes.

Here is another video of "Bob" running the 6100 & 562 in the same log before the other video was made. The chain on the Dolmar is a little dull at this time. Bob owns/runs/ works on Stihl/Dolmar/Husqvarna/Jonsered saws..

 

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Here is my new Hat that the Jonsered Distributor sent me a couple weeks ago!

 

[7sleeper]

Hardly any notisable savings per year, when you consider the expected life-time of the saws - a total non-issue!

Anyway, if you get the Dolmar or the Stihl in that class, at the same time you de-select exellent handling/nimbleness and responsiveness - basically removing the fun from the use of the saw.

Although financing would be no problem at all for me, I see the difference as relevant! But then again everyone has his opinion on this matter.
And de-selectig any vodoo magic is simply in the eye of the user. As you are aware of a fellow on another site who has both the 545 and 550 mentions that the only noticeable difference between the two is in small wood(<10 inches) beyond that any difference is lost. The same can be expected on the larger scale. So if you believe that 150-200$ difference is worth the quickie, many others disagree.

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[flotek]

This has become an interesting thread I learned a lot from the posts about these different models . It's surprising how deep saw loyalty can run . I'm still on the fence but I'm leaning toward the dolmar it's not so much the difference of price forme as it is the idea of having something unique and different than everybody else runs . The ms362 stihl I looked at for. 699$. Was just their plain jane version is the cm or m tronic even more in cost I'm assuming and why is this a must have. . I have no issues tuning a saw. I build two stroke atv dirt bike and sled drag race engines btw I will likely port and do a mm in whatever unit I choose myself

 

[mountainlake]

[. It's surprising how deep saw loyalty can run .

Some are really blinded by brand loyalty, even after they see 2 saws cutting real close they don't believe it. Steve

 

[ash man]

Brand loyalty doesn't bother me, its what makes the world go round. Blind brand loyalty to the extent of making dumb statements about another saw you know nothing about and never run well....

 

[WKEND LUMBERJAK]

I wonder if this would fit better than the Bailey's version? I have a recently acquired 9010 that I'd like to strap my old 36" Stihl bar on to avoid buying a new 36" Husky/Dolmar mount bar... My 6401 is also very smooth and torquey and would likely give a 362, 562 or otherwise a run for it's money with a 20-24" bar. Not nearly as fast limbing, but a lot more torque. I did incidently fondle a 6100 at a local dealer earlier today... He was wanting $549+tax... If I can't find the receipt for my 562 to prove my purchase and thus get it looked at or send it to Randy, it may get traded in on the 6100. Is it as sexy? No. Does it feel good? Yes. I think it would do quite well in the Hedge I cut. Then again if my 562 goes to Randy, it might go in for the full-monty... Time will tell.

That is what I am using to break mine in on is hedge on tank five getting better every tank.

 

[jdhacker]

That right there about sums it all up. Dolmar is a pro saw company with great products but has not spent the world on advertising. Dolmar actually sells less ****** saws than all those homeowner grade Stihls that are over priced to pay for their advertising. But the lesser known saw will be found at the lesser known shop too. Everyone wants to carry Stihl for their name recognition. Any no nothing kid can sell stihls; It takes some true saw talent to run a successful dolmar dealership.

It's not name recognition, it's all about dealer support. Where I live Stihl dealers are everywhere. No Dolmar anywhere.

 

[nstueve]

Are there any true stock saws at those gtg? Steve

opcorn:opcorn:I have one and God willing and the crick don't rise I will be there And I am not going to be the first one to get it ported. unless something special comes up.opcorn:opcorn:

See ML, there are stock saws at GTG's. Heck I can remember a couple years back I muffler modded a Stihl MS-290 for a local guy who came out to have some fun. His saw was all stock untill I MMed it.

Most of my saws are all stock with muffler mods. I suppose my 401 has a few mods to it but nothing extreme. My 9010 is the only other "non-stock" saw I have. I do not count muffler mods in the "modified" saw class though since anyone can do a MM.

Kenneth,
I've been very very curious to learn more about these 6100's as I've been thinking about getting one to replace the Makita 6401. I've been wondering the below questions.

1.) how is the carb restricted
2.) what is the muffler made from and how much baffling does it have?
3.) ignition - is it limited?

I know this is a new series of saw but the 5100/5105's still haunt some people after the whole epoxied carb deal, and they were to lean from factory. I would just want a light MM and a decent carb tune on one if I bought one. The ignition question just speaks to the ease of tuning.

 

[nstueve]

Sore, but I'm getting movement back. I can raisemy arm about level with my shoulder now and am working on orbital motion... I'll be running that 9010 in a few months hopefully.

9010's sure aren't for the faint of heart or weak arms... We were just out bucking for a logger up by Chelsea last weekend and the logger looked at me like I was crazy for running my ported 9010 all day long.

9010 = 18.1 lb PHO + 32in bar and chain.

I was juiced by the end of the day but wasn't hurting as bad as others that were slinging lighter saws... Then again I was pre-popping Tylenol to stave off the sore muscles.

Also I'll send you a PM about the 9010 adapters. Mike makes an all in one that can be used on pretty much any 9.5mm bar stud saw and convert it to 12.3mm Stihl mount.

For those that have a both husky's and stihl's I'd highly recommend adding one of mikes bar adapters to your tool case. Stihl mount bars can be found pretty much anywere and it makes finding a bar easy. I also think Mike makes a higher quality product than the bailey's adapter. The Bailey's only converts some of the large mount husky's. Mikes has an open loop so you can put it on any 9.5mm stud saw. He's also making 12mm to 14mm stihl adapters and homelite adapters... If you want to run different bars check Mike out in this other AS thread.

http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/all-in-one-stihl-bar-adapter.244840/

 

[WKEND LUMBERJAK]

See ML, there are stock saws at GTG's. Heck I can remember a couple years back I muffler modded a Stihl MS-290 for a local guy who came out to have some fun. His saw was all stock untill I MMed it.

Dealer set mine@13200 for first 3tanks then he set it to13400 manual says 13800 after a few more tanks I may set it toclose to13600. I will check to see out yo

Most of my saws are all stock with muffler mods. I suppose my 401 has a few mods to it but nothing extreme. My 9010 is the only other "non-stock" saw I have. I do not count muffler mods in the "modified" saw class though since anyone can do a MM.

Kenneth,
I've been very very curious to learn more about these 6100's as I've been thinking about getting one to replace the Makita 6401. I've been wondering the below questions.

1.) how is the carb restricted
2.) what is the muffler made from and how much baffling does it have?
3.) ignition - is it limited?

I know this is a new series of saw but the 5100/5105's still haunt some people after the whole epoxied carb deal, and they were to lean from factory. I would just want a light MM and a decent carb tune on one if I bought one. The ignition question just speaks to the ease of tuning.

 

[nstueve]

Fixing above post to separate replies...

“See ML, there are stock saws at GTG's. Heck I can remember a couple years back I muffler modded a Stihl MS-290 for a local guy who came out to have some fun. His saw was all stock untill I MMed it.

Kennieth, "Dealer set mine@13200 for first 3tanks then he set it to13400 manual says 13800 after a few more tanks I may set it toclose to13600. I will check to see out yo"

Most of my saws are all stock with muffler mods. I suppose my 401 has a few mods to it but nothing extreme. My 9010 is the only other "non-stock" saw I have. I do not count muffler mods in the "modified" saw class though since anyone can do a MM.

I've been very very curious to learn more about these 6100's as I've been thinking about getting one to replace the Makita 6401. I've been wondering the below questions.

1.) how is the carb restricted
2.) what is the muffler made from and how much baffling does it have?
3.) ignition - is it limited?

I know this is a new series of saw but the 5100/5105's still haunt some people after the whole epoxied carb deal, and they were to lean from factory. I would just want a light MM and a decent carb tune on one if I bought one. The ignition question just speaks to the ease of tuning."

 

[MustangMike]

Hardly any notisable savings per year, when you consider the expected life-time of the saws - a total non-issue!

Anyway, if you get the Dolmar or the Stihl in that class, at the same time you de-select exellent handling/nimbleness and responsiveness - basically removing the fun from the use of the saw.

If you are inferring that the MS 362 C-M is not as nimble and responsive as a 562 XP, I respectfully disagree with you. I hefted both saws, side by side, in the store and they feel about the same. Another person who has one of each reports (on this site) they also perform about the same. They are also both significantly more nimble than their 70 cc counterparts. The decision between the two is one of personal preference, but they are both great performing saws in that size category.

 

[Locust Cutter]

9010's sure aren't for the faint of heart or weak arms... We were just out bucking for a logger up by Chelsea last weekend and the logger looked at me like I was crazy for running my ported 9010 all day long.

9010 = 18.1 lb PHO + 32in bar and chain.

I was juiced by the end of the day but wasn't hurting as bad as others that were slinging lighter saws... Then again I was pre-popping Tylenol to stave off the sore muscles.

Also I'll send you a PM about the 9010 adapters. Mike makes an all in one that can be used on pretty much any 9.5mm bar stud saw and convert it to 12.3mm Stihl mount.

For those that have a both husky's and stihl's I'd highly recommend adding one of mikes bar adapters to your tool case. Stihl mount bars can be found pretty much anywere and it makes finding a bar easy. I also think Mike makes a higher quality product than the bailey's adapter. The Bailey's only converts some of the large mount husky's. Mikes has an open loop so you can put it on any 9.5mm stud saw. He's also making 12mm to 14mm stihl adapters and homelite adapters... If you want to run different bars check Mike out in this other AS thread.

http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/all-in-one-stihl-bar-adapter.244840/

I pm'ed you back!
The shoulder is sore from getting a bone spur ground out, bursa repaired and semi-torn tendons repaired/shaved... It's definitely putting hitch in my get a long right now, but in a few months I ought to feel like I was 20 again. At least in one joint anyhow... LOL