Will Strato charged motors be less reliable long term?

[bikemike]

I think this is a simple and short important piece of information that goes to answering the question in the title. There is a chance some design or designs that make it to market the clean air gets around bearings instead of the mixed air.

Some place near your strato transfer ports, the ones that pass air only it would stand to reason there is less lubrication. The guys that take these things apart probably can tell if it is an issue.

Only strato i have does run all fuel oil mix to bottom end and through the transfer port to top end the top butterfly is air only and it goes straight to top end only. That is the only strato i have worked with

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

Awww. All of you guys are cheating. You're bringing guns to a food fight. Damned facts and accurate information will ruin this thread.

Can we not all just play dumb and laugh at people who don't understand that modern technology does not automatically equal junk?

I really want to learn more from Stihlthedeere, the guy with the inside scoop on everything Hooskervarning. Guy's had some saws from them back when Bruce Willis still had a full head of hair and they obviously somehow put him on the quality control, manufacturing, R&D and strategic planning mailing lists as a result.

Yeah, stratosaws are junk. Especially huskydoohicky jap made blah blah blah....

Spoken like a true jackass......
Judging by your post, your incapable of learning much of anything.

 

[heyduke]

I think this is a simple and short important piece of information that goes to answering the question in the title. There is a chance some design or designs that make it to market the clean air gets around bearings instead of the mixed air.

Some place near your strato transfer ports, the ones that pass air only it would stand to reason there is less lubrication. The guys that take these things apart probably can tell if it is an issue.

the fresh air that gets squirted into the combustion area passes through slots cut in the sides of the piston, below the rings. it shouldn't affect lubrication of the top end and couldn't affect lubrication in the bearings. i'm more interested in the length and volume of the strato ports. they tend to be long and skinny in pro saws, but short and more direct in the cheap poulans. the difference is that in a husky the air is injected below the intake port and the ports (conduits?) snake up the sides to the combustion area. poulans inject the air above the carburetor at about the same level as the strato outlet in the side of the cylinder, making the conduit much shorter, with no way to utilize a standing wave or resonance. the poulans will rev to maybe 10,500rpm. a good husky strato will bump on its limiter at 12,500rpm.

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

i'd rather run a redmax than its comparable stihl any day. they're more reliable, built better and easier to work on.

Me too, point me to the nearest servicing dealer. Oh snap..........

 

[heyduke]

Me too, point me to the nearest servicing dealer. Oh snap..........

if you're depending a your stihl dealer to keep your saws running, you're in deep weeds. the hombres in my village bring me their stihls after they get them back from the "sevicing dealer." i'ts usually the guys who've been "serviced."

peace

 

[ArcticOverland]

Spoken like a true jackass......
Judging by your post, your incapable of learning much of anything.

Written, not spoken. You're, not your.

How about putting to one side your rampant brand bias and try to learn something new instead of turning to juvenile name calling?

The BS you write on the whole Stihl versus everything else thing is incredibly tiresome. It's boring and imparts nothing more than the impression you're happy to remain ignorant.

Are you not a bit crusty to be such a hardcore fanboy?

 

[bikemike]

the fresh air that gets squirted into the combustion area passes through slots cut in the sides of the piston, below the rings. it shouldn't affect lubrication of the top end and couldn't affect lubrication in the bearings. i'm more interested in the length and volume of the strato ports. they tend to be long and skinny in pro saws, but short and more direct in the cheap poulans. the difference is that in a husky the air is injected below the intake port and the ports (conduits?) snake up the sides to the combustion area. poulans inject the air above the carburetor at about the same level as the strato outlet in the side of the cylinder, making the conduit much shorter, with no way to utilize a standing wave or resonance. the poulans will rev to maybe 10,500rpm. a good husky strato will bump on its limiter at 12,500rpm.

Yeah thats all i think my crapsman turns now that it isnt so lean. It use to screem but took 10 min to warm up

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

Written, not spoken. You're, not your.

How about putting to one side your rampant brand bias and try to learn something new instead of turning to juvenile name calling?

The BS you write on the whole Stihl versus everything else thing is incredibly tiresome. It's boring and imparts nothing more than the impression you're happy to remain ignorant.

Are you not a bit crusty to be such a hardcore fanboy?

Not a fanboy, just a good dealer who knows and sells the best. And not calling names,just stating the clearly obvious. Stihl has no competition, they are the competition, not single other brand can touch their sales numbers, not even close.And FYI, I own/ run Stihl, echo , and jonsered.........

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

if you're depending a your stihl dealer to keep your saws running, you're in deep weeds. the hombres in my village bring me their stihls after they get them back from the "sevicing dealer." i'ts usually the guys who've been "serviced."

peace

I think I am in pretty good shape here. We service everything we sell, and do a damn good job of it as well.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Stihl and husqvarna are about 50/50 with services here..probably favors husqvarna a smidge.

As far as landscapers go , stihl products arent popular at all , the ones i know you couldnt give them a stihl blower/trimmer..they all run echo/shindawia..some redmax blowers

Stihl marketing..gotta love it

 

[big t double]

Stihl and husqvarna are about 50/50 with services here..probably favors husqvarna a smidge.

As far as landscapers go , stihl products arent popular at all , the ones i know you couldnt give them a stihl blower/trimmer..they all run echo/shindawia..some redmax blowers

Stihl marketing..gotta love it

Yup...give Ice Cube a prize, or a rubber cookie. no ope manufacturer markets better than Stihl. Even landscapers in our area are figuring out that the 4-mix trimmers and blowers are...junk...for lack of a better term. They will put new pistons and cylinders on old fs80/85's before they buy a new 90/110/130. A lot are running echo and red max back pack blowers now. Sure...you'll save some fuel running a br600, but it won't last long enough to recoup the savings. Thank god we deal Toro too...the only Z on the market that matters!!

 

[nitehawk55]

Written, not spoken. You're, not your.

How about putting to one side your rampant brand bias and try to learn something new instead of turning to juvenile name calling?

The BS you write on the whole Stihl versus everything else thing is incredibly tiresome. It's boring and imparts nothing more than the impression you're happy to remain ignorant.

Are you not a bit crusty to be such a hardcore fanboy?

Actually it is "your" in that case . "You're" is "you are".

Won't be any issues , take care of your saw , don't use it beyond it's limits and ran a good clean oil mix . Personally I think 32:1 is too rich (except for real HD use) 40-50:1 should be fine .

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

Actually it is "your" in that case . "You're" is "you are".

Won't be any issues , take care of your saw , don't use it beyond it's limits and ran a good clean oil mix . Personally I think 32:1 is too rich (except for real HD use) 40-50:1 should be fine .

I never pick a fight/ argument with an idiot, it is a losing battle. Please don't hold the fact that he can't spell against him as well.

 

[ArcticOverland]

Not a fanboy, just a good dealer who knows and sells the best. And not calling names,just stating the clearly obvious. Stihl has no competition, they are the competition, not single other brand can touch their sales numbers, not even close.And FYI, I own/ run Stihl, echo , and jonsered.........

Ah, that explains a lot then. Your posts should come with a consumer warning that you are in fact a Stihl dealer, especially those where you try to detract from the features and benefits available to a user from another brand or marque. You can't avoid the bias.

I pick Husqvarna as I've only had great experiences with their products. My local dealer is great to deal with, carries Stihl, Echo and Husqvarna and doesn't push one over the other. I'm lucky, I get to have what I want, how I want it.

My experience so far with my strato engined saws has been superb. All of the BS aside, there's nothing to even hint to me that the AT equipped strato'd saws will have a shorter lifespan or require more input in parts, time and aggravation. I'm really loving the benefits this newer tech offers and I'm glad I don't have to listen to brand based crap when I want a new saw or need some parts. Stihl have some great saws, but they don't float my boat. I'm glad my dealer doesn't feel the need to shove his commercially focused brand choice down my neck.

 

[bikemike]

Not a fanboy, just a good dealer who knows and sells the best. And not calling names,just stating the clearly obvious. Stihl has no competition, they are the competition, not single other brand can touch their sales numbers, not even close.And FYI, I own/ run Stihl, echo , and jonsered.........

DEPENDING on where your at mn gtg had many jreds and husky saws it was about a 40.1 ratio between husky jreds vs stihl. I have 2 stihls 2 echos a couple poulans and im not bias of brands. But id trade my 026 and o34 for a bigger decent husky 372 or 572 just cause stock to stock i think the husky is a fast cut vs the stihl. But i can agree that the stihl has a longer run period than husky. Like i said im not bias il run what runs and starts everytime

 

[ArcticOverland]

Judging by your post, you're.....

If you're going to correct me you would be well served to check your grammar carefully.

What was that bit about arguing with an idiot?

 

[windthrown]

The 461 is NOT a strato engine. The ONLY difference between it and any other quad port cylinder is where the transfer ducts begin. Port timing is no different at all. It's a standard 2-stroke in EVERY way, regardless of what Stihl marketing calls it.

BULL SHIIT!

Since they are lifting he safeties on this site and it is going to shyte, I may as well become a troll here. They are exhaust strato saws, regardless of Brad's complete ignorance on the matter.

 

[blsnelling]

BULL SHIIT!

Since they are lifting he safeties on this site and it is going to shyte, I may as well become a troll here. They are exhaust strato saws, regardless of Brad's complete ignorance on the matter.

'bout time you showed up! I would ask you to enlighten us, but you'd just regurgitate some more Stihl marketing propaganda, that you can't seem to see through. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Stupidity is having the knowledge and still refusing to see the truth.

 

[bikemike]

Actually it is "your" in that case . "You're" is "you are".

Won't be any issues , take care of your saw , don't use it beyond it's limits and ran a good clean oil mix . Personally I think 32:1 is too rich (except for real HD use) 40-50:1 should be fine .

Im a 40.1 man with all the 50.1 logo saws and equipment plugs and screens is a small price to pay vs engines

 

[bikemike]

Wow this is almost like the jerry springer show. Common guys cany we all get along. Every saw ever built is the best in its class like the auto industry