I'm just shy of 30 years working for a manufacturing company, often doing manufacturing engineering. I'm trying to picture an manufacturing environment where something like that does not get noticed during assembly, and I just can't. It is virtually impossible for someone to have assembled that and not seen it - heck, you'd have to be asleep even to miss the corner of that transfer cover. In manufacturing there are no "one off's". For all those that made it out the door there were many more. They clearly have major problems in whatever facility made that.
550xp Here we go again.
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Conquistador3
Le Comte de Frou Frou
I take you have never seen an 80's Alfa Romeo.
Full Chisel
Slingin' Stihls and runnin' Huskies
It's a shame to see this kind of quality...or lack therof...from a company that has such an otherwise solid reputation. The more I read about these newer saws the less interested I become in them. They make the older 3 series saws that much more desirable, IMO. It's the same with these new diesel trucks. All the new technology is literally killing them. Give me the simple, old school technology. My 13y.o. 7.3L PS will be on the road longer than these new $80k trucks...as long as the frame and chassis doesn't rust out first.
Big_Wood
westcoast dweller
The reason it was not noticed is because it was created by the person assembling it. With the carelessness of people these days my modo is to assume the worst. People are ****** at what they do until they prove otherwise even if they have a ticket saying they are qualified. I've seen a lot of repairs come out of saws shops that were absolute rig jobs. Hack job work from so called professionals. To many people lack the passion and are out for the money which results in consumers getting ripped off by poor quality workmanship. Be it assembly of a saw or a service offered like hospitality. It's why I like living in the woods. I can't stand man kind and what they have become, especially those puppets from the city's. A lot of the work force isn't about what you know anymore, it's about who you know.
Can't say I disagree with you, I hate going to the city as well. I guess were whats called old curmudgeons, don't know why anybody would live in the city. I like my dogs a lot more than most people, they know how to piss on things and move on. That being said, not all people are bad. Every once in a while people make me smile and say " now there goes a good human being". My grand kids are visiting for a few days before Christmas and they give me hope forthe future, it's very uplifting watching and interacting with them, both for them and for us. I hope you have a merry Christmas up there in the great north!
Big_Wood
westcoast dweller
amen brother! i would hope everyone would realize what i meant. i'm definitely not saying everyone is like that but the percentage is getting bigger as the years go by! Merry Christmas to you too Grizz!
Big_Wood
westcoast dweller
except you could kill 2 cylinders on a 6.7 and it would still outperform your 7.3
............ not a new diesel fan either. got the GM 6.6 ol'dirty one, pre emission just the way i like it. i've been tempted recently to trade it for a GMC canyon though as since i've been falling i haven't been doing much marine so don't even need it to tow boats anymore. tempted to trade it for reduced noise if nothing else. it's also the only vehicle i ever owned that's had an auto. last truck was auto but i slapped a manual in it when i built it. missing the manual. so do you still have all your teeth driving that 7.3? should get your hearing checked too, i hear you can sue ford for loss of hearing driving those beasts. lolSAdly I have - I was an Italian car fan in the '80's. But they were hardly alone either.
I sympathize with the sentiment, but when you're running a factory you must set the tone. Often poor work like this is the result of the process control Nazis who think everyone should be an interchangeable cog, rather than letting people own their part of the system and take pride in their work. Those that can't do the job get sent down the road.
Not everyone is cut out for assembly work, and in truth I doubt I could do it day in and day out. But I've worked with people who are very good at it,and some of them are friends that have been here as long as I have. You keep the good ones around.
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My 550 had no physical problems, I just don't care for the way they start (when they start), and how long it takes for them to "come into their own".....I'm not a fan of the strat saws either, pretty much for the same reasons as the AT's, just my own evaluations/opinions, if others like'em that's fine, they're just not my cup of tea...
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I got to tour the Stihl plant once. I was shown the MS250 assembly line from beginning to end. I remember how fast some of the steps were, like how fast the piston got stabbed in the cylinder.
They said they rotate people around to different stations, so they are trained at pretty much any station. This is to prevent boredom and to insure the line is covered for when people are sick, or on vacations.
A stratified boot would be harder to detect than one leaking on the main carb boot, when the saw was fueled and started by the salesperson.
But still, quality control should have identified the boot issue sooner.
I've seen factory installed boots pulled out of flanges of Stihls too, and they didn't even have a protrusion fitting pushed inside of a boot.
Big_Wood
westcoast dweller
it took me a long time to accept strato charged saws. i'm still on the fence about them. like yourself, i would much prefer things stayed simple. the real joke is the EPA thinking they're gonna save the world by regulating emissions for small engines. owned a few AT saws and the only one i really like for it's AT behaving similar to a manual tuned carb was the 576. every other i've ever seen has been cold blooded. the 661 i had you had to let it idle with the choke on for a bit at startup or it wouldn't run worth a **** all day.
Pfft, my 550XPX has 3 full tanks of of fuel through it and has delivered me nothing but awesomeness. I go to my heated garage every night before bed to give it a hug and rub it's ass. It's my mistress for this Christmas. Know why you don't love that saw ? Because your hands are cold lmao. Heated handles are sweet [emoji4][emoji23][emoji23]
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The boot material is pretty stiff, I almost think it was done intentionally. And I really wonder if these saws are actually being made in Sweden, awhile back there was some questions about this. I men how much of the saw has to be assemble in Sweden for them to be able to slap that sticker on? Has anyone actually seen the assembly line in Sweden? ST?
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Is this the correct part number for the boot assembly? 525500002
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At least the 550 acts like an XP saw as it has light flywheel and accelerates quick. My 576xpg auto tune accelerates like a fat kid runs. It gets there but not like 288 snorts to life[emoji3]
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A mm seem to liven things up. The 576 is so far the nicest running auto adjusting saw I've had my hands on. If it wasn't for the weight I'd prefer it over the 372.
Big_Wood
westcoast dweller
somethings wrong with your 576 or your 288 isn't stock. they both run so different from each other they aren't even comparable. i wasn't talking about how they run either. i was just referring to how the AT makes the saw behave. the 576 is the only one i've ever had that ran like a manual adjust carb and i've owned every AT/MT saw except a 241, 362, and 441. in the woods today, it would be a real tough call for me which one i'd choose between a 576 and 288. take a 372 or a 390 before either of them. some of my saws have heated handles to by the way. i prefer them to not and you'll find out why when you actually start using saws instead of hugging them and rubbing their ass. lol i like to keep one or 2 around for cutting up north in the real cold. what's the coldest you cut in? most don't even cut in cold enough temp to warrant a heated handle saw.
The seal would be easy to make a tool and use a simple transfer moulding press. The actual plastic cover is another story, you would need a fairly large tool and I'd say a minimum of 50 ton (clamping force) injection moulding machine using glass or carbon fibre filled high temperature engineering plastic.
The design is just plain wrong. I'd say they gave this job to a first year graduate Engineer!
The design is just plain wrong. I'd say they gave this job to a first year graduate Engineer!
The cover is actually soft metal, likely what some call pot metal.
It is a design to save money IMHO, cheaper and less complicated to cast is my guess.
