..............Maxima........Mobil1.......Motorex........Motul
Iron...............0...............1...............0............0
Tin................0...............0...............0............57
Silicon............0...............0...............0............2
Sodium...........0...............1...............1............3
Titanium.........1...............6...............6............0
Potassium........0...............0...............0............1
Boron.............1...............3...............0............2
Magnesium.......1..............1...............2............2
Calcium.........462.............481............486.........651
Barium............2...............2..............2............1
Phosphorus.......3..............19..............6............62
Zinc...............2..............24..............5............65
Water (IR)...... < 0.1.........< 0.1%.........0.1..........0.1
VIS @ 100C ..... 9.6 cSt......14.3...........12.6.........18.0
TAN..............0.15..........0.49...........0.60.........0.53
Redbull -
I keep seeing the above chart talking about the tin zinc phosphorus and calcium content in motul ...i assume 800. Is this because it sucks or because of the formulation? ie. 100% ester? is it bad? What does h1r look like? Maybe H1R , R50, Stihl ultra maybe all similar metallic #s to motul's numbers...because they have somewhat similar make ups?
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Belray - (Andrew)
As far as I know, the 800 is good, they have the metallic additives because I assume they found that they work well. Metallic content does contribute to ash content, but if the detergency is good, then it’s not necessarily a problem. Remember, no one thing makes an oil bad or good, you need to look at the big picture. There are standard requirements to how much ash content you can have for the API and JASO regulations, but I do not know how the 800 stacks up against them.
The only metallic in H1-R is calcium and it is at about 203 ppm so it’s about 1/3 of the 800 and half of the others according to that chart that keeps getting posted. Also as a side note, 65 ppm of zinc is miniscule, that could just be residue left in the blending tank from whatever they manufactured before the 800. As a reference point, common 4 stroke motorcycle oils have a zinc content of around 900-1200 ppm. I don’t know about zinc content in 2-strokes oils though. I just know that I keep our metallic content to a minimum to minimize ash and pollutants.