SawTroll
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Then there is the qustion of a low-vibe chassis or not on the chain - some care, others doesn't. I am among the ones that care, but I am not a fanatic about the issue......
That's what I don't understand. It's not like the nature of trees or the questions asked of chain manufacturers have changed a great deal over nearly a century, in which time we've put people on the moon, and done so many technologically advanced things, yet not one chain manufacturer has the skills or knowledge or money to nail at least all the basics? Are they so complacent, the industry riddled with so much easy money or legacy investments that someone has yet to nail it? Or is it just that people being people are subjective at the best of times, or?Despite what many people think or would like to believe not one single manufacturer has got all bases won and sewn up in either saws, bars, or chains...
That's what I don't understand. It's not like the nature of trees or the questions asked of chain manufacturers have changed a great deal over nearly a century, in which time we've put people on the moon, and done so many technologically advanced things, yet not one chain manufacturer has the skills or knowledge or money to nail at least all the basics? Are they so complacent, the industry riddled with so much easy money or legacy investments that someone has yet to nail it? Or is it just that people being people are subjective at the best of times, or?
I mean, heck, if we as consumers can't objectively agree on who makes the best chain, then we've probably only got ourselves to blame for the myriad overkill choices floating around now.
I mean, heck, if we as consumers can't objectively agree on who makes the best chain, then we've probably only got ourselves to blame for the myriad overkill choices floating around now.
It comes back to the fact that If someone developed the perfect chain you would only ever buy one and the manufacturer would go broke. Personally I think most chain out there is of a reasonable quality and is capable of getting the job done. Despite the fact that is not perfect in some consumers eyes, lets face it, it works and it is a hell of a lot better than what was around 40 or 50 years ago.
A number of years ago I designed a cutter set (imagine a four side moulder) that would cut faster and last at least 10 times longer than what any of the other companies were selling, After much deliberation the boss told me (despite the fact I had made the prototypes) to scrap the idea as it would send him broke cause we wouldn't make any money sharpening it, so we continued to manufacture a slightly higher quality product to what the opposition were manufacturing and made money out of sharpening and re tipping.
That happens in so many industries. Ultimately, I can't help but feel it's a self-defeating, free market inefficiency we are all paying for. It's all about the $ and not enough of us are concerned about the resources being consumed in pursuit of that almighty dollar.
Here in NZ we are flooded by crap products that abuse the worlds resources making them, are shipped around the world to us only so thay can fail so we can work longer hours to repeatedly buy more of them to replace the dead ones, and then pay to throw the said failed products into the landfill or recycling. I know this sounds like tinfoil hat conspiracy theory stuff and it's way off topic, sorry, but it's quite astounding how conditioned to accepting this ridiculous cycle we have all become.
And more to the point, how would we ever know unless there was an independent body testing this for us? If there isn't one, who's willing to pitch in a few $ to have the testing done and we'll get it done? I'll put in US$50 to start the kitty.
...I have not seen...
I've been a free independant test body mate for some non knock off Chinese chain and it's good stuff No foreign parent company, all guages in semi and full chisel, and it's proving to be basically as good as any other chain I've run. Am I going to sell it? No, I don't need to but I have used it nearly exclusively myself in some pretty tough conditions for months now with no issues.
I've broken Carlton chain plus other well known brands as well. Chainsaw chains break sometimes regardless of who makes them.
Why am I running it? Curiosity more than anything. I've tried Chinese bars from two manufacturers and they were crap. I've run and sold other piston and cylinder kits and the quality was excellent on all but some of the 372XP BB kits. These kits were replaced for free. China is an absolute minefield of 80% crap products, 15% mediocre, and 5% good. I've worked through my fair share of the first two to ensure that the vast majority of what I run and sell is in that last 5%
Howdy,
Windsor chain has had Oregon cutters on it for at least 5 years now. If you find some with actual Windsor teeth. it's going to be old.
Regards
Gregg
Getting back OT, this from Gregg from Baileys in another thread today
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/171496.htm#post2935783
Getting back OT,
A while back an Oregon Rep told me flat out that they were back ordered 30 days production on chain, and had been for years.
The aquisition of Carlton and windsor was for production capacity, and both Carlton and Windsor chain wasn't long for the world, as the production capacity was needed for the Oregon line alone.
I wonder how long it will be, before Carlton chain is simply relabeled Oregon crap.
Obviously windsor is already under the knife.
Stay safe!
Dingeryote
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