walker, I think we are in complete agreement. Forgive me if I misled. By no means do I think Echo will ever run with Stihl/Husky in the logging industry. They target the home owner market and and do a great job imo. I go to bat for Echo (to give you a hard time aye) because I get tired of you and others bashing Echo saws because its slower than your 346xp or is 3 seconds slower cutting a cookie than another saw. They still make solid equipment, usually for lot less money and hopefully they will be around for a long time.