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Guys that wear a saw out each year cut 212,500 bf a month and 383,000 bf per month. Guy that doesn't 166,666 bf per month. So in a years time those that buy a new saw see twice as much action than those that don't. I think it's pretty easy to understand that saws that get more use are going to wear out faster.

Uh, right, except you forgot that all of my saws still worked just fine after years of use, and the other person is replacing them each year .......... my saws either cut the same in hardwood, no less, or more due to being worked for more years, so I don't really see your point. It boils down to some people are just harder on saws than others. The saws that I use are always in better shape than the saws that the workers use, always and it will always be like that.

As to trying to make money by replacing items or just buying items for the sake of a tax deduction ......... I'm with Oldtimer, I buy things I need, not buy saws to replace saws that already work just fine. I buy skidders, trucks, excavator's ....... and I buy saws.
 
News flash: Dumping trees all day is not logging.

You're right, it's called timber falling.

And I've never seen a tree that arrived at a mill standing upright and attached to a stump!
 
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I've cut plenty. I am not going to go spend 4 hours researching what I have cut the last 20 years.
Exclude me from this highly technical scentific endeavor.
Put plainly, wearing out a saw every 4 months is CRAP. Buying new when a re-ring is all you need is CRAP.
But who really cares? The end result of any deep thought comparison here in this forum ends with the west coast faller being able to walk on water and cure blindness with a touch.

News flash: Dumping trees all day is not logging.

Okay Sparky...you just keep on it. People have tried to help you here, but apparently you don't need it. Well, actually you do need it but you're too pig headed to see it. Go play with your little land clearing jobs and your junk equipment and try to convince yourself that you're a real logger. We know better. Real loggers tend to listen to advice and not get all whiny like a little school girl.

LOL...I'll bet you're glad you don't work for me. You should be, anyway. I sure am.
 
Okay Sparky...you just keep on it. People have tried to help you here, but apparently you don't need it. Well, actually you do need it but you're too pig headed to see it. Go play with your little land clearing jobs and your junk equipment and try to convince yourself that you're a real logger. We know better. Real loggers tend to listen to advice and not get all whiny like a little school girl.

LOL...I'll bet you're glad you don't work for me. You should be, anyway. I sure am.

Hahaha. Truer words were never spoken.

Andy
 
As to trying to make money by replacing items or just buying items for the sake of a tax deduction ......... I'm with Oldtimer, I buy things I need, not buy saws to replace saws that already work just fine. I buy skidders, trucks, excavator's ....... and I buy saws.

And next up is a Who's got the biggest pecker contest.
Whip em out boy's. :laugh:

Andy
 
This went to poop in a hurry. Maybe better on the chainsaw forum.

New ones every 4- 6 months or so. Somebody else gets a nice used saw and I get a new one. I don't get paid to #### with saws in the strip....much less on my weekends for that matter- #### that.
 
This went to poop in a hurry. Maybe better on the chainsaw forum.

New ones every 4- 6 months or so. Somebody else gets a nice used saw and I get a new one. I don't get paid to #### with saws in the strip....much less on my weekends for that matter- #### that.

Sorry about that.
I just couldn't help myself. :laugh: :cheers:

Andy
 
Okay Sparky...you just keep on it. People have tried to help you here, but apparently you don't need it. Well, actually you do need it but you're too pig headed to see it. Go play with your little land clearing jobs and your junk equipment and try to convince yourself that you're a real logger. We know better. Real loggers tend to listen to advice and not get all whiny like a little school girl.

LOL...I'll bet you're glad you don't work for me. You should be, anyway. I sure am.

Save it. You think you're god's own gift to the woods. I think you've never cut a load of wood by yourself in your whole life. My junk might be junk, but I own it and I rely on no man for my paycheck. It's called self-reliance. You never offer advice, you pontificate. Stick to curing leprosy and casting out demons.
 
Save it. You think you're god's own gift to the woods. I think you've never cut a load of wood by yourself in your whole life. My junk might be junk, but I own it and I rely on no man for my paycheck. It's called self-reliance. You never offer advice, you pontificate. Stick to curing leprosy and casting out demons.

:monkey: Easy there, Sparky. I've offered you a lot of advice, you just didn't like it and got all defensive because you thought we were picking on you. You need to learn the difference.

If you can see your way clear, head out this way and I'll take you to work with me. I'm serious. Spend a week with us, doing what we do every day, at the pace we move at, in the terrain we deal with. See if you can keep up. You'll know, and we'll know, after the first day if you're a logger or not.

You're responsible for your own room and board but we'll get you up to the woods every morning nice and early.
 
And next up is a Who's got the biggest pecker contest.
Whip em out boy's. :laugh:

Andy

LOL, you ****, my point is I'm not about going out and selling saws as a means for tax write offs for financial gain. I have enough other things to buy and bother with. And I don't work on saws either, whether they are 1 week old or 7 years old, I've had very little ever break on them chain tensioners and some plastic. I started using auto gas this year and for the first time in a decade I'm have some starting problems ....... as in it takes a couple of more pulls to get two of them started. Going back to 100 LL AV gas.

I too question the board footage deal, I know some westies have to cut, limb and top their trees, but what I see on TV its a lot of softer wood and they just have to cut off at a waist high stump and let her fall over, and the wood looks like it cuts like balsa wood, which is fine, cut what you have to cut, but it isn't hardwood and you don't have to cut another 4-10 12" branches off of the stem either. I don't make much money with a chainsaw, I make my money with a skidder. Right now we're cutting trees for another guy at $10 per tree, we had a short day yesterday, I cut, limbed and topped 44 trees, Menno cut 44 trees then we went home to work on an oil leak on the skid steer, while the water goes down up North.

If all I had to do with cut them over, Oh boy, that number would triple easily. I remember in Wisconsin I cut about 10,000 board feet in one day when I was starting out, it was hot and a very steep sidehill, I was somewhat impressed, until later at the bar a guy said he had cut 40,000 board feet in the same day. I spent most of the night bothered that I would never be a good timber cutter and should just quit, because I didn't see any possible way I could have cut my 10,000 in a quarter of the time, and I was literally running from tree to tree, all day. So I tell another good cutter that I want to watch him cut for a day, so I can learn how to cut 40,000 in one day ........................ he said, who can cut that much in one day on a sidehill around here? I said this other guy did. He laughed for about 3 minutes, because he knew it bothered me a bunch, he said that guy just tips trees, there are two others that come behind him and top the trees, OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH, now it made sense, LOL.

Its not really a big deal to me, I just present how I do things and what I do, I make money doing it too or I wouldn't be doing it. How or why the westies always get in a jam that its their way or nothing is beyond me, buts that just how it is, they make no money for me, and I've been doing what I do long enough and for around here, most think I'm doing it correctly. I have zero machine payments and very little pressure. I do take on more work than I should at times, but I do that for the challenge, otherwise I work when I want and for who I want, short of winning the lottery, few can top that, so most everyone here can take their petty chainsaw arguments and shove it, LOL.

Sam
 
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LOL, you ****, my point is I'm not about going out and selling saws as a means for tax write offs for financial gain. I have enough other things to buy and bother with. And I don't work on saws either, whether they are 1 week old or 7 years old, I've had very little ever break on them chain tensioners and some plastic. I started using auto gas this year and for the first time in a decade I'm have some starting problems ....... as in it takes a couple of more pulls to get two of them started. Going back to 100 LL AV gas.

I too question the board footage deal, I know some westies have to cut, limb and top their trees, but what I see on TV its a lot of softer wood and they just have to cut off at a waist high stump and let her fall over, and the wood looks like it cuts like balsa wood, which is fine, cut what you have to cut, but it isn't hardwood and you don't have to cut another 4-10 12" branches off of the stem either. I don't make much money with a chainsaw, I make my money with a skidder. Right now we're cutting trees for another guy at $10 per tree, we had a short day yesterday, I cut, limbed and topped 44 trees, Menno cut 44 trees then we went home to work on an oil leak on the skid steer, while the water goes down up North.

If all I had to do with cut them over, Oh boy, that number would triple easily. I remember in Wisconsin I cut about 10,000 board feet in one day when I was starting out, it was hot and a very steep sidehill, I was somewhat impressed, until later at the bar a guy said he had cut 40,000 board feet in the same day. I spent most of the night bothered that I would never be a good timber cutter and should just quit, because I didn't see any possible way I could have cut my 10,000 in a quarter of the time, and I was literally running from tree to tree, all day. So I tell another good cutter that I want to watch him cut for a day, so I can learn how to cut 40,000 in one day ........................ he said, who can cut that much in one day on a sidehill around here? I said this other guy did. He laughed for about 3 minutes, because he knew it bothered me a bunch, he said that guy just tips trees, there are two others that come behind him and top the trees, OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH, now it made sense, LOL.

Its not really a big deal to me, I just present how I do things and what I do, I make money doing it too or I wouldn't be doing it. How or why the westies always get in a jam that its their way or nothing is beyond me, buts that just how it is, they make no money for me, and I've been doing what I do long enough and for around here, most think I'm doing it correctly. I have zero machine payments and very little pressure. I do take on more work than I should at times, but I do that for the challenge, otherwise I work when I want and for who I want, short of winning the lottery, few can top that, so most everyone here can take their petty chainsaw arguments and shove it, LOL.

Sam

Haha. Watchit Sam, you're gonna hurt my feelings.
Naw, just kidding, I ain't got none.
I see a big part of the problem now. You seem to be taking what you see on TV as how it is. :msp_confused: Most of us (in my area anyway) have to "cut, limb, and top" our trees (we call it "working up a tree"). Yes we cut mostly soft wood, some that isn't so soft. The reason it appears to "cut like balsa wood" is because most of us use square chisel chain, rather than the semi chisel chain that you have said you use.
The last time I cut 10,000 bd ft in a day we were in some real sorry stuff. Even in good timber, 44 trees in a 6 hr day won't cut it here, you'll starve to death.

Personally I don't care if you never buy another saw. When you say that the "Westies" get in a jam over you not doing things our way....Well I think you've got a bad case of the pot calling the kettle black. Any time someone doesn't do things just the way you do, a discussion starts, and then you get your panties in a wad. I really don't care. Keep doing what you're doing, and you'll likely stay right where you're at. I've picked up quite a few ideas on this site (and not all of them came from the West) that have made me some money. A man's got to be willing to learn new things in order to broaden his horizons.
I'm glad that you don't owe anything on your equipment, that way you have a chance to make money for you instead of your banker. I can't understand why you'd be so willing to give it away to such a wastefull government.:msp_confused:
You keep doing what you're doing. If you're making money, great. If not, no skin off of my nose. We can just agree to disagree. But don't think that means I won't have fun giving you a hard time about your hard head. :laugh::laugh:

Andy
 
And that goes double for you oldtimer. :laugh:

Andy

They're probably both down at their tax guy asking what the hell a depreciation schedule is and how do they set one up. :msp_rolleyes:

There's so darn little profit in this business that I can't understand why they don't take advantage of every legal opportunity to save themselves a buck or two.

A lot of guys think that having a few bucks left over at the end of the month means you're making money. All they're really doing is financing a low paying hobby and calling themselves loggers.
 
News flash: Dumping trees all day is not logging.


No ####. Loggers are so.... dirty. Loggers aren't fallers, neither are truck drivers. And fallers aren't skidder drivers. SOme people can do more than one thing, some people know a little about this or that, and thats good for every once in a while, but a specialist, and the inherent advantages in productivity and quality in working among specialists as a team, it works really well that way. After all, a skidder thats sitting while its operator is falling, or bucking, or loading, is sitting. Utilization.
 
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LOL, wow, what a bunch of fuxxing windbags, LOL.

Now I can't cut, barely can log and don't know how to run my business and its a hobby that barely makes any money. I'm learning new things everyday from this site, no doubt mostly from the Westies, their eyes are everywhere.

Truly amazing,

Sam
 
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