Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[MustangMike]

Shelby could be both a genius and a fraud!

When he had to build 500 GT-350s in order to race them he did not have them done, so he put 500 cars in a parking lot, the first 3 rows were GT-350s, the rest were just plain jane Mustangs ... but he passed the inspection!

The GT-350 package transformed the Mustang into a real performance car, everything was better! But most of the GT-500s were kind of a fraud (except the KRs).

The early 428s had 390 heads on them. They could barely feed a 390 with a 4 barrel, they had no chance of properly feeding a 428 with 2 - 4 barrels. The later KRs had 428 heads and were true performers. A lot of folks thought he was putting 427 Ford motors in them (as were in the 427 AC Cobras) but only a few experimental ones were built that way.

390, 427 and 428 are all FE Ford motors, but 427 Medium riser heads have valves too large for the smaller bore 428 or 390. A 428 CJ head has 427 low riser valves and combustion chambers, but 427 Medium riser ports.

Bore size for 390 + 410 Mercury is 4.05

Bore size for 406 + 428 is 4.13

Bore size for a 427 is 4.23

390, 406 + 427 all have the same stroke and are internally balanced. The 410 and 428 have a longer stroke (both use an externally balanced 428 crank).

The 427 Ford engine was a racing motor and only installed in a very limited # of street cars (never in a Mustang). It was much more expensive to produce due to the larger thin-walled bore, cross bolted mains, and side oiler block. The piston pins were also dead on center, instead of being a bit offset to facilitate a smooth idle.

 

[chipper1]

For the scroungers...
https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/clt/d/staatsburg-1967-chevy-ii-nova/7571508097.html

 

[bob kern]

Just threw 4 splits of HVBW into the wood burner .
Next up, more HVBL .

NOOOOO!!!!!!!! NOT HVBW

 

[LondonNeil]

My Squaw tested positive fir Covid and now I got it pretty bad. Its a bum deal! Hope those of you that haven't gotten it yet never do, and the ones that have. Don't get it again.

The 'Kraken' variant of Omicron is taking over, highly transmissible but no sign it's now dangerous than Omicron, which itself is tame compared to early strains. Fingers crossed you'll be fine. Merry knock you over for a week plus though. Triple dosed with microchips of two different chip factories here but when I got it first time about 10 months ago it was weird, all sorts of symptoms that would come and go in hours then come back days later! Worst day was about 10 days in when I thought I was over it although today could have been down to just being whacked as the whole family had it together and it's wearing when 3 young kids are stuck at home!
Wife caught it again only 4-5 months later, and was fine that time, surprised that no one else caught it they time.

 

[LondonNeil]

MustangMike told me I don’t post often enough, truth be told, it’s probably been over a year. This was my Sunday morning workout time to get cleaned up for Church

Got this red oak from the brother in-laws property. Spit it this morning
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Always good to see and hear from an old contributor!

 

[SS396driver]

Shelby could be both a genius and a fraud!

When he had to build 500 GT-350s in order to race them he did not have them done, so he put 500 cars in a parking lot, the first 3 rows were GT-350s, the rest were just plain jane Mustangs ... but he passed the inspection!

The GT-350 package transformed the Mustang into a real performance car, everything was better! But most of the GT-500s were kind of a fraud (except the KRs).

The early 428s had 390 heads on them. They could barely feed a 390 with a 4 barrel, they had no chance of properly feeding a 428 with 2 - 4 barrels. The later KRs had 428 heads and were true performers. A lot of folks thought he was putting 427 Ford motors in them (as were in the 427 AC Cobras) but only a few experimental ones were built that way.

390, 427 and 428 are all FE Ford motors, but 427 Medium riser heads have valves too large for the smaller bore 428 or 390. A 428 CJ head has 427 low riser valves and combustion chambers, but 427 Medium riser ports.

Bore size for 390 + 410 Mercury is 4.05

Bore size for 406 + 428 is 4.13

Bore size for a 427 is 4.23

390, 406 + 427 all have the same stroke and are internally balanced. The 410 and 428 have a longer stroke (both use an externally balanced 428 crank).

The 427 Ford engine was a racing motor and only installed in a very limited # of street cars (never in a Mustang). It was much more expensive to produce due to the larger thin-walled bore, cross bolted mains, and side oiler block. The piston pins were also dead on center, instead of being a bit offset to facilitate a smooth idle.

I know where there is a real 427 63 Galaxy that is unrestored and in great shape . Friend of mine who passed owned it . His kids are still trying to sort everything out and it’s been conveyed that I have right of first refusal . They knew we were good friends and he wanted my Chevelle and I wanted his Galaxy .

 

[WoodAbuser]

I know where there is a real 427 63 Galaxy that is unrestored and in great shape . Friend of mine who passed owned it . His kids are still trying to sort everything out and it’s been conveyed that I have right of first refusal . They knew we were good friends and he wanted my Chevelle and I wanted his Galaxy .

Sorry for your loss.
I can't imagine that there could have been very many built with that engine.

 

[MustangMike]

Wow, I'm envisioning a 2-door sports roof!

Wish I had garage space for such a thing ... would love to see it!

ps - I learned to drive on a 64 Galaxy - 4 door with a 352. It must of had gears, got lousy gas mileage but really launched! Was a sleeper.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Shelby could be both a genius and a fraud!

When he had to build 500 GT-350s in order to race them he did not have them done, so he put 500 cars in a parking lot, the first 3 rows were GT-350s, the rest were just plain jane Mustangs ... but he passed the inspection!

Kinda sounds like something I read about the Porsche 917...I guess in the sports-prototype of sports car racing at the time, they were limited to a certain displacement for non-production cars...but if they made a certain amount of cars(think it was 25), they could have increased displacement. So Porsche built a handful of driving cars and then a bunch more that were unpowered and sat on rigid chassis with trailer axles. The inspectors looked at a couple of the running cars at the front of the line and then called them good. The 917 went on to be one of the most dominate Le Mans cars of all time. I think it was over 600hp in a car that weighed less than 2k lbs...they almost hit 250mph at Le Mans...back in the early 70's. They had a 5.0 flat 12, the can am cars were even boosted.

I was able to grab a photo of this 917 at Canepa's in Scotts Valley, CA last year...check this place out if any of you guys ever find your selves in the Santa Cruz area.

 

[svk]

Hi guys. Spent the whole weekend in a fishing rod building class. Had a great time and walked away with a real nice custom fishing rod.

Hopefully I didn’t miss too much Convo this weekend, too much to read in one sitting lol.

 

[JimR]

Would rather do away with it than guess if the ZZDP is high enough in a high performance motor .

Feel like this adding stuff. View attachment 1047157

I'm running it in my Kioti diesel and my RAM 6.4 Hemi.

 

[MechanicMatt]

Kinda sounds like something I read about the Porsche 917...I guess in the sports-prototype of sports car racing at the time, they were limited to a certain displacement for non-production cars...but if they made a certain amount of cars(think it was 25), they could have increased displacement. So Porsche built a handful of driving cars and then a bunch more that were unpowered and sat on rigid chassis with trailer axles. The inspectors looked at a couple of the running cars at the front of the line and then called them good. The 917 went on to be one of the most dominate Le Mans cars of all time. I think it was over 600hp in a car that weighed less than 2k lbs...they almost hit 250mph at Le Mans...back in the early 70's. They had a 5.0 flat 12, the can am cars were even boosted.

I was able to grab a photo of this 917 at Canepa's in Scotts Valley, CA last year...check this place out if any of you guys ever find your selves in the Santa Cruz area.

The 917 and the GT40 are two of the most recognizable race cars of the “Golden Era”

Absolute BEAUTIFUL lines!

 

[Sierra_rider]

The 917 and the GT40 are two of the most recognizable race cars of the “Golden Era”

Absolute BEAUTIFUL lines!

Agreed, both are just beautiful cars...I'll add the Cobra Daytona coupe as my favorite looking sports/race car of all time.

Here's several other photos I saved from that place...this guy has an exotic/race car dealership here as well, but a lot of these are part of his private collection. Some of his race cars are/were extremely important cars to motor racing. He had several real Cobras for sale when I was there, I only grabbed a photo of one of them. It probably goes without saying, but there isn't a price listed on any of the cars in there. One of those things, that if you have to ask, you probably can't afford it.

 

[rarefish383]

Shelby could be both a genius and a fraud!

When he had to build 500 GT-350s in order to race them he did not have them done, so he put 500 cars in a parking lot, the first 3 rows were GT-350s, the rest were just plain jane Mustangs ... but he passed the inspection!

The GT-350 package transformed the Mustang into a real performance car, everything was better! But most of the GT-500s were kind of a fraud (except the KRs).

The early 428s had 390 heads on them. They could barely feed a 390 with a 4 barrel, they had no chance of properly feeding a 428 with 2 - 4 barrels. The later KRs had 428 heads and were true performers. A lot of folks thought he was putting 427 Ford motors in them (as were in the 427 AC Cobras) but only a few experimental ones were built that way.

390, 427 and 428 are all FE Ford motors, but 427 Medium riser heads have valves too large for the smaller bore 428 or 390. A 428 CJ head has 427 low riser valves and combustion chambers, but 427 Medium riser ports.

Bore size for 390 + 410 Mercury is 4.05

Bore size for 406 + 428 is 4.13

Bore size for a 427 is 4.23

390, 406 + 427 all have the same stroke and are internally balanced. The 410 and 428 have a longer stroke (both use an externally balanced 428 crank).

The 427 Ford engine was a racing motor and only installed in a very limited # of street cars (never in a Mustang). It was much more expensive to produce due to the larger thin-walled bore, cross bolted mains, and side oiler block. The piston pins were also dead on center, instead of being a bit offset to facilitate a smooth idle.

Mike, my room mate had a 70 429 CJ Torino, Orange, shaker hood, multi colored stripe, 430 locker, 4 speed. Where did those 385 engines fall in the hierarchy of the Ford big blocks? Or were They just too late?

Since we're on a car scrounging topic. There is wood involved to stay semi on topic. Saw this one at Walmart this morning. Late 40's I think.
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I vaguely remember my aunt and uncle having an old woody wagon.

 

[rarefish383]

I know where there is a real 427 63 Galaxy that is unrestored and in great shape . Friend of mine who passed owned it . His kids are still trying to sort everything out and it’s been conveyed that I have right of first refusal . They knew we were good friends and he wanted my Chevelle and I wanted his Galaxy .

In high school we had a guy that was known for his big block mustang. Those close to him knew of several other cars he had. He was all F’ed up on dope and alcohol and passed a car on a blind hill and hit a Jeep Wagoneer head on killing both parents. When he killed those people he was driving a 67 GTO. He was killed also, and his two passengers survived.
Not long ago I had some plumbing done. My plumber is a few years younger than me, went to our high school, and is a third generation plumber in the area. We were eating lunch, looking at my yearbook. I said, I wonder what ever happened to Zack’s Mustang. He looked over and said, it’s still in his parents barn, with his Thunderbolt. He said the cars are well known in the collectors world, and the parents recognize the historic value of them, but don’t ever want them sold while they are living. They have made arrangements for them after they die. I’m waiting to see if they make the news.

 

[Lionsfan]

Hi guys. Spent the whole weekend in a fishing rod building class. Had a great time and walked away with a real nice custom fishing rod.

Hopefully I didn’t miss too much Convo this weekend, too much to read in one sitting lol.

Let's have some pics!! I've built rods for close 40 years, and I love seeing new people take an interest in it!

 

[SS396driver]

I'm running it in my Kioti diesel and my RAM 6.4 Hemi.

Why would you run it in a newer engine? There is no need to use it, actually ZZDP and it can ruin a cat that was the main reason to remove it .

 

[JimR]

Why would you run it in a newer engine? There is no need actually ZZDP and it can ruin a cat that was the main reason to remove it .

For better lubrication. It is in the oil not the gas. Since my truck and tractor do not burn oil it won't affect the cats on them. From what I have read on diesel oil there is still zinc being used in the motor oil unlike automotive oils.

 

[svk]

Let's have some pics!! I've built rods for close 40 years, and I love seeing new people take an interest in it!

That's awesome! I will try to get some pics up shortly.

 

[GrizG]

Felixia, "The Female Lumberjack" is very witty... This video is one example... Her first short was too...

She made history too. She was the first woman ever to compete at Stihl Timbersports World Championship!