Anthony_Va.
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Walmart has these nifty syringe things for measuring out oil. They are only $4 or so.
I use one of those from walmart. It works great. Gotta do four pulls to mix a gallon.
Walmart has these nifty syringe things for measuring out oil. They are only $4 or so.
My MS310 has been eating ethanol since they first came out - no problems. MS361 the same and is about 4 or 5 years old - no problem. MS 210 a bit older than the 361 same - no problem. Husky 51 so old it started with a pro logger in Canada and I have run it for over 10 years on same type gas - no problem.
Smoked P, etc. is either too lean on tune or accidental straight gas - yes it does happen. IOW it is not the brand of saw that is the problem and it also doesn't depen on Pro or Homeowner quality.
As for running it out of gas eveytime you put it away - no. If for a considerable time then yes but for only a week not needed, not wanted and not good.
Harry K
i just checked on the belray,, i can get it here but it only shows that it comes in quart bottles,, so how the heck do measure it out?? right now i am running 45:1 with echo power blend,, i am thinking seriously going down to 40:1
Is that a serious question? :msp_rolleyes:
yep,,, guess i could use a small measuring cup and sit down and do some figuring on how much
So let me ask this.......
If you were in a survival situation and could only have one NEW off the shelf saw that you had to purchase today, what make and model would it be?
If you were in a survival situation and could only have one NEW off the shelf saw that you had to purchase today, what make and model would it be?[/B]
I think it was good of your dealer to go to bat for you the first time. However, I do not believe for a minute that ethanol caused this. The 5100's are known to have lean related failures. My opinion is that this dealer did not set it up right to begin with, pure and simple. As for why your other saw lasted 20 years and this one did not - you can thank the EPA. Your 20 year old saw likely did not have limiter caps on the carb and did not likely leave the factory tuned too lean. Your 5100, however, did and your dealer should have caught it.
Again I will thank everyone here.
I do not post a lot here because I dont have much to offer but I have been following this forum for years because I know equipment needs maintenance and its somewhat of a hobby with me. I take care of my equipment.
I do not cut for a living but myself and two friends have 300 acres of woods and there is always something to cut. I usually spend weekends out there and we always need/use a saw. In addition to this we probably cut 7-10 cords of firewood each year.
I dont mind working on my equipment and will purchase a tach or whatever is needed to maintain it but I want something good.
So let me ask this.......
If you were in a survival situation and could only have one NEW off the shelf saw that you had to purchase today, what make and model would it be?
Ratio rite. Best $5 you'll spend. Oil is cheaper in bulk. If you use a lot buy a quart or bigger at a time. A pint will mix a hair over 5 gallons.
i just checked on the belray,, i can get it here but it only shows that it comes in quart bottles,, so how the heck do measure it out?? right now i am running 45:1 with echo power blend,, i am thinking seriously going down to 40:1
Nipper
Again I will thank everyone here.
So let me ask this.......
If you were in a survival situation and could only have one NEW off the shelf saw that you had to purchase today, what make and model would it be?
346xp.Simple easy to work on and reliable as dirt, and they can cut some pretty big logs.
Would adjusting the Carb Drop the warranty?
It really varies, area to area. You can't just say "ethanol causes no problems". It might not in your area, as you indicate, but other areas it kills stuff… the fuel is just different all over. There's no actual standard… you can go to any small engine repair place around here and see the results in their junk pile… because I have bought and used from both a lot, and e-free wins hands down, just better overall fuel, two stroke or my four stroke mowers.
+1, Ethanol kills small engines, especially two-cycle engines.
I’m gonna’ disagree with most of the replies in this post a say that Ethanol can very well be the problem. I’ve seen it first hand… Ethanol can and will destroy a two-cycle engine, even a properly tuned two-cycle engine. I know a lot of guys here use it without problems and I won’t say they’ve been lucky so far… rather I’ll say they haven’t been unlucky so far. Every time you run Ethanol blended fuel in a two-cycle engine is like playing Russian Roulette with it… some day your luck will run out.
At 70[sup]o[/sup] it takes less than 4 teaspoons of water in a gallon a E10 fuel to cause phase separation… and less water than that as the temperature drops (underground tanks are quite a bit cooler). When phase separation occurs in the pump storage tanks the (supposedly) E10 fuel you get from the pump may be E3, or E30, depending on the level in the storage tank; either way can be death to a two-cycle engine. Ethanol has a higher octane level than gas, so if you end up getting the E3 side of it your (supposedly) 90 octane fuel may only be 84 octane… you’re gonna’ have detonation and pre-ignition, with higher engine temps, and a likely scored piston. The E30 side of it is also gonna’ produce extremely high engine temps, with the added “washing-down” of bearings and cylinder walls… pretty much like “straight-gassing” the engine. Fuel additives and engine tuning ain’t gonna’ change the end result… It can’t!
Engine wear is cumulative… every time you use it the engine is that much closer to the end of its useful life. I’ve seen it over, and over, and over again… two-cycle engines fed a steady diet of Ethanol blended fuel do not last near as long as those run on non-Ethanol fuels. And the difference is years of useful life for average guy. The incidences of catastrophic two-cycle engine failure is at least three times higher with those running Ethanol blended fuels over those not running it… Just ask any professional small engine mechanic (at least any in this area). My first two standard questions when anyone brings me a small engine with problems is, “Is the fuel fresh?” And, “Are you using Ethanol blended fuel?” If the engine is a two-cycle and the answer I hear is something like, “I use Ethanol in everything” (pretty common answer here in the Ethanol producing corn belt), I’d give two-to-one odds I’ll find a scored piston… and I’d win the bet at least 75% of the time.
I too repair equipment and have a "pile" but to say the it is ethanol fault with no other factors is a tall order.
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