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wolfpawtimber

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Purchased a Homelite Super 1130G a while back and am finally getting around to doing some work on it. :clap: It has great compression and needed a new fuel line to get it running well (the old on had dissolved long ago). The only problems I have with it are, it didn't come with a bar or chain (uses 1/2") and it sprays gear oil from the sprocket drive shaft. Upon tearing it down, I found that the shaft fractured at one point at the keyway and broke off a piece. It was still w/ the shaft though. The PO who was in his late 60's bought it new when he worked for the Forest Service w/ a 6' bar and an Alaskan Mill. He and a couple other fellows got packed in to a hot springs in Oregon and fell trees, milled them into lumber, and built cabins/ an enclosure for the hot springs. The bar wore out and the saw got parked on a shelf.

Need to get a .404 gear/ rim drive sprocket for it, air cleaner, guide plates, bar adjuster, and fix the leak to get it fully operational again. I found a NOS seal on Ebay last year PN: 56256B and have a few questions on where to go next. On the sprocket drive shaft, there is a sleeve that goes over it that is between it and the seal. With that in place, the seal is not riding against the shaft. I would imagine that is how the gear oil is able to spray out. According to the IPL there is no sleeve there, but the new and old seal are exactly the same... Does anybody have some insight into how I should proceed? Pics of saw and the sprocket drive shaft below....

1130G PDF:

http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141533&d=1277169940
 
I think you are going to need to chase down another shaft, that one is toast. .404 sprockets are NLA, but there are rim sprocket adaptors, send a PM to BillG, they aint cheap.
 
Sweet saw.
As Randy already said.
The shaft is toast. And will
need to be replaced. Spockets
are hard to find.
If you ever want to sell it i'm interested.


Lee
 
Take the shaft to a good welder and have them tig it up then turn it in a lathe. No reason why you can not get it back going. If you look long enough you can find a .404 sprocket I might have one I will check a little later.
 
wolfpawtimber said:
Purchased a Homelite Super 1130G a while back and am finally getting around to doing some work on it. :clap: It has great compression and needed a new fuel line to get it running well (the old on had dissolved long ago). The only problems I have with it are, it didn't come with a bar or chain (uses 1/2") and it sprays gear oil from the sprocket drive shaft. Upon tearing it down, I found that the shaft fractured at one point at the keyway and broke off a piece. It was still w/ the shaft though. The PO who was in his late 60's bought it new when he worked for the Forest Service w/ a 6' bar and an Alaskan Mill. He and a couple other fellows got packed in to a hot springs in Oregon and fell trees, milled them into lumber, and built cabins/ an enclosure for the hot springs. The bar wore out and the saw got parked on a shelf.

Need to get a .404 gear/ rim drive sprocket for it, air cleaner, guide plates, bar adjuster, and fix the leak to get it fully operational again. I found a NOS seal on Ebay last year PN: 56256B and have a few questions on where to go next. On the sprocket drive shaft, there is a sleeve that goes over it that is between it and the seal. With that in place, the seal is not riding against the shaft. I would imagine that is how the gear oil is able to spray out. According to the IPL there is no sleeve there, but the new and old seal are exactly the same... Does anybody have some insight into how I should proceed? Pics of saw and the sprocket drive shaft below....

1130G PDF:

http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141533&d=1277169940
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Nice looking 1130G. You are going to either get another shaft, or have it welded and machined like the guys have said. I think you should sell it (cheap) to Eccentric and get back to playing with that 750 of yours.

Nice Scout in your avatar pic. My eyes may be deceiving me (itsa tiny pic).........but I believe I spy a rectangular marker light on that front fender. That would make it a 1971 Scout 800B. Last of the breed before the Scout 810/Scout II. Someday my 1967 Scout 800 will look as nice as your Scout...:givebeer:
 
Eccentric said:
Nice Scout in your avatar pic. My eyes may be deceiving me (itsa tiny pic).........but I believe I spy a rectangular marker light on that front fender. That would make it a 1971 Scout 800B. Last of the breed before the Scout 810/Scout II. Someday my 1967 Scout 800 will look as nice as your Scout...:givebeer:
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I had a '68 Scout 800 with the 345 V-8 gas engine and 4:56 gears. Man that thing would pull, but 45mph on the highway was too slow. I even had (rarest of the rare), the original build sheet! Hardtop all the way, super nice little trucks.
 
Nitroman said:
I had a '68 Scout 800 with the 345 V-8 gas engine and 4:56 gears. Man that thing would pull, but 45mph on the highway was too slow. I even had (rarest of the rare), the original build sheet! Hardtop all the way, super nice little trucks.
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Sweet! There's more than a few of us Binderheads on AS. I have the LineSet ticket from my '71 1210 4WD Travelette (four door pickup). Sometimes they're still taped up behind the glove box, but most of the time they're long gone.

I've got three runners, and two parts rigs. The 71 Travelette is a longbed, and has a 392 V8 and the IH/Fuller T34 Overdrive 5-speed. Don't see many of those...

The '67 800 has the 196 "half V8" I4, a T90 three speed, and 4.27's. Gonna swap in a T18 four speed soon. It is a beast of an engine for an I4. Lugs down to 200rpm or so without complaining. Not exactly a freeway machine though.

Also have a '74 Scout II with a 304 V8 and a T19 four speed. It was my daily driver for over a year. Put a new camshaft in and rewired most of the truck...........then put 12K on it. It's completely rotton, but I have a parts rig with an almost completely rot-free tub.

RandyMac still needs to make a deal to grab a Scout 80 near him. He's distracted by the sweet Falcon Ranchero he got recently though. I'm gonna have to go up north (with a bunch of PBR and a bottle of good rye whiskey) and persuade him to get that Scout.:givebeer:
 
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What size shaft does the gear fit? I found a couple of 8 tooth sprockets, but not quite sure if it is a McCulloch or Homelite sprocket.
 
The sprocket is 5/8" ID w/ dual 3/16" keyway slots. If you had one, that would be fantastic! :greenchainsaw: Will be swapping the 42" bar and semi-skip chain on the 750 over to the 1130G and putting a shorter bar on the 750. I love cutting w/ the 750 as it just rips through stuff, but I would use it more with a shorter bar. Funny you guys should be talking about IH's as I work for IH Only North in Grass Valley now, so if any of you guys need some parts/work done look us up. http://ihonlynorth.com/
I have a more recent pic of the scout, as my avatar pic is when I first got it. Oh, it's a 62 by the way. My DD right now is a 72 1310 Travelette shortbed w/ a 304, auto, and 4.88's....:dizzy: Talk about screaming rpm's going down the highway! Anyway, I can get a new shaft so I will probably be ordering it here pretty soon and getting the saw back into usable condition.:cheers:
 
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Nice Binders! Small world. I've known Jeff I. off and on for about 8 years or so. Met him at Tulare in 2002. Bought several parts from him at his house in Auburn before he had the 'oficial' IHO-North business set up. When I picked up my Travelette in 2004 or so, I stopped at Jeff's house on the way home and bought a Scout 800 liftgate, a pickup fan shroud, a distributor, and some other bits that I can't remember. Later I stopped by again and swapped a square-bore SV manifold with Jeff for a spreadbore. Also have the RPT engine mounts Mike's been making in my '74 Scout II. Great guys.:cheers:

Edit:
I just checked Jeff's site. Looks like my info got transfered over from the old website to the current one. I'm (still) Aaron L. over there...
 
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I managed to purchase and install some new/used parts on the 1130G today. I popped in the new-used shaft while retaining the 3:1 original gear as I didn't want to pull the clutch and move the idler gear for the 2:1 gear until I knew that everything was working. I noticed that both the shafts have a hole in the splined portion that feeds into a hole that goes to the threaded end of the shaft. To me that seems like a guaranteed leak and sure enough, oil was spraying out the moment I started it up.... So I filled it up with JB weld and fixed a crack around the handle/aircleaner as well. I also picked up a 30" harvester bar to mount on the saw and as expected the rear portion was WAY too wide for the saw. Spent about 3 hours with a hacksaw to deepen the grove, bench sander to recurve the bar, and cutoff wheel on a dremel to widen the groove. It was a lot of work, but the bar turned out pretty good. The only thing I have left is to find and purchase a .404 gear for the saw and have a chain made up.:confused: I filled up the gear drive case about 7/8's of the way with gear oil, is that the proper amount, or should it be to the bottom of the fill plug when the saw is level?
 

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