How to get wounded (or worse)

[blackoak]

Im disagreeing about you saying that homeowners shouldnt own saws.
And beond that you correct and i agree with. But i am just stongly against you saying "homeowners shouldnt be able to have saws"
Their should be local tree seminars or soemthing cause if somones guna do something why not do it safe.

In the real world, there's more home owners that own saws than the pros. That why Stihls number one selling saw is the 029-MS290 and I bet Husky sells more Ranchers than 395's.

 

[Erick]

Awwww man........ I guess I gotta sell the house now. :censored:



(stupid homeowners )

 

[modn]

someone who has never had the formal training and or experience that it takes to PROPERLY run a chainsaw.

you guys that are "homeowners" on this site are actually pretty damn lucky to have this site at your disposal. the wealth of knowledge this site offers is the next best thing to having an "old timer" right next to you.

ive seen too many ugly cuts and improper saw use, technique wise. look at this putz moving the saw back and forth in the cut like its a hand saw. thats some of the stuff i am talking about.

ive been to jobs were the homeowner started it only to be laid up because they got too far over their head. or what about the other day when i saw another homeowner almost cut his leg off swinging his saw around after finally getting it free from a pinch.

more or less what i am saying is that almost no one other than a pro should run a saw. after that? a retired pro.

listen. i work with guys now that still need a ton of help with their cuts. and these guys get paid to do it. if i get scared watching them cut how do you think i feel seeing someone who really doesnt have a clue.

just be careful. this work is dangerous enough as it is and thats with experience, nevermind when a weekend warrior going out with the boys to cut some wood and drink a few beers. (a terrible combination on any level.)

stay safe.

So you were born a pro? You had tons of experience the 1st time you picked up a saw? So if you followed your advice I guess YOU wouldn't be a pro now would you? Now I know a couple of idiots that are professionals, does that make you one too? It is people like you that hurt your fellow professionals viewpoint by other people. I bet if you treated one of your customers with this attitude you would be hitting the road in no time. I did learn from old timers and am still learning thank God!! And yes, we "homeowners" are lucky to have this site....we are the "smart homeowners". You might be a professional in the tree, but don't hit the ground as you are a rookie here and need a lot of work!!

 

[woodguy105]

His chainsaw "matenice" video should not be overlooked. :jawdrop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IgL6YXLov0

When I saw the first "Barber chair" vid I was amazed said WTF he's gonna kill himself, then it turns out he's the barefoot sawyer cutting cookies...now this video w/ him on the floor is just plain sad....I didn't even listen to the sound.


I hope folks out on youtube are NOT following his lead.

 

[Tzed250]

The "gene pool" is cleansed natually...

 

[Saw Dr.]

This thread is like a car wreck.... I want to look away, but I just have to watch the carnage. I wouldn't get too worried about calling this guy a "homeowner." From what I've seen in the vids, it's not much of a "home."

Stihl should hire this guy, and pay him through a Swiss bank account. I'm sure they'd sell plenty of 460 top ends if they can get people to watch the muffler mod video. He's gonna need work anyway, after he severs a limb.

Sad part is this: I bet he doesn't have any insurance. While we're all laughing, and fighting about what a dufus this guy is, he's eventually going to get hurt. Then we all get to foot the bill while he gets repaired on public healthcare.....

 

[oldirty]

You might be a professional in the tree, but don't hit the ground as you are a rookie here and need a lot of work!!

nothing you said made any sense, least of all this statement here.

when i first got in the biz, no i wasnt as saw savvy as i am now. you are right about that. but watching learning and asking question has brought my sawmanship well past others. and yes i did obviously follow my own advice by learning from a pro.

but for you to tell me i cant cut on the ground makes zero sense. where did i learn to cut before i actually got into the tree? and since i have been making cuts in the tree my ground cutting is that much better.


and if i am offending people good. it will only serve to make them more aware of what they are doing.

hey modn. you want some respect from me? post a vid of yourself in action with a saw. find out if you have a clue.

stay safe


erick, keep your house......think more about selling the saw.

 

[spacemule]

nothing you said made any sense, least of all this statement here.

when i first got in the biz, no i wasnt as saw savvy as i am now. you are right about that. but watching learning and asking question has brought my sawmanship well past others. and yes i did obviously follow my own advice by learning from a pro.

but for you to tell me i cant cut on the ground makes zero sense. where did i learn to cut before i actually got into the tree? and since i have been making cuts in the tree my ground cutting is that much better.


and if i am offending people good. it will only serve to make them more aware of what they are doing.

hey modn. you want some respect from me? post a vid of yourself in action with a saw. find out if you have a clue.

stay safe


erick, keep your house......think more about selling the saw.

olddirty, by your own defitinition the guy in this video should be able to run a saw. You say only professionals have a "legitimate need" and the know how to run one. That's nonsensical. In fact, pro use of saws results in just as many injuries as homeowner use--mainly due to volume of production, complacency, and inattention.

The problem with your stance is that you rate chainsaw use with something that has nothing to do with ability. If you had advocated proper techniques and training, no one would have a problem with it. However, when you come here saying that entire groups of people should not be "allowed" to run saws and that they have no "legitimate need" to run them, you don't offend anyone, you just make a fool of yourself.

 

[oldirty]

olddirty

If you had advocated proper techniques and training, no one would have a problem with it.

you just make a fool of yourself.

its oldirty.


and you mutt wtf do you think i have been more or less saying this whole time.

if i am making myself look like a fool by trying to get people to be more aware of what they are doing then thats fine.


go back to walmart.

 

[spacemule]

its oldirty.


and you mutt wtf do you think i have been more or less saying this whole time.

if i am making myself look like a fool by trying to get people to be more aware of what they are doing then thats fine.


go back to walmart.

Making nonsensical statements like "Only x type of people should be allowed to run saws" makes you look a fool. If that is not what you meant to say, then perhaps you should state clearly what you meant. From what I've seen, you say "even professionals can't run saws properly, so non professionals run saws even worse." That's just stupid talk.

 

[oldirty]

From what I've seen, you say "even professionals can't run saws properly, so non professionals run saws even worse." That's just stupid talk.

actually this is the meat of my arguement. the whole damn thing.

if i get leery watching people who get paid to do it......how do you think i would feel watching someone who is actually clueless. its downright scary.


we'll take this arguement up later. the girl wants to go eat breakfast. be back in a bit.

 

[polexie]

Wow, this thread takes an exciting turn

 

[oldirty]

i got one for you space....ive been to court a few times. would that make me a good judge?

 

[spacemule]

actually this is the meat of my arguement. the whole damn thing.

if i get leery watching people who get paid to do it......how do you think i would feel watching someone who is actually clueless. its downright scary.


we'll take this arguement up later. the girl wants to go eat breakfast. be back in a bit.

So, someone giving you money for doing something automatically imparts knowledge to you that the general population has no access to? Do you really think that?

 

[spacemule]

i got one for you space....ive been to court a few times. would that make me a good judge?

I would say it has no bearing on whether you would be a good judge. You're making my point for me.

 

[PWB]

Around here, you can't get paid to run a saw unless the employer can prove you've had training. When I started (municipal road work) it meant a 2 day feller's course (including dropping some trees, some maintenance and hand sharpening a saw). YOu had to have certification from the ministry, and the guy that did the training and had to sign off on your competance had to have a week long course under his belt. Now it's a day long course........... no signoff on ability, just that you had the training.

One of the local stihl dealers put on a free day long course for homeowners, not sure how well it was attended. Seems like a good way to sell saws, parts, maintenance to me...........

 

[modn]

nothing you said made any sense, least of all this statement here.

when i first got in the biz, no i wasnt as saw savvy as i am now. you are right about that. but watching learning and asking question has brought my sawmanship well past others. and yes i did obviously follow my own advice by learning from a pro.

but for you to tell me i cant cut on the ground makes zero sense. where did i learn to cut before i actually got into the tree? and since i have been making cuts in the tree my ground cutting is that much better.


and if i am offending people good. it will only serve to make them more aware of what they are doing.

hey modn. you want some respect from me? post a vid of yourself in action with a saw. find out if you have a clue.

stay safe


erick, keep your house......think more about selling the saw.

Here is the basic concept. You are a professional IN the tree but need a lot of work in communicating on the ground ie:here. Prove what???? There are a lot of professionals on here I would listen to and have listened to and you're not one of them. Make sure you don't pick up that circular saw and leave that to the contractors (the professionals) as they are dangerous. You have run one right? That statement sounds pretty foolish, right? You sure do have a leg up on me in a tree and then it stops right there. Obviously you have no idea about respect in life and you surely do not know me or most people on here for that fact. You never know who you might be talking to or their credentials.

 

[BIGBORE577]

well fellas. this set of video's only solidifies my opinion that NO homeowner should own a saw.......this is what you all cut like through the eyes of a pro.

I'd like to believe you were just trying to make a point because these statements, if taken verbatim, are simply ridiculous. To infer that all homeowners are as intellectually deficit as the guy in the video is as irresponsible as the guy wielding the saw. I don't doubt your ability as a Sawyer for one bit and can understand the frustrations as a professional viewing this and most likely other things you've witnessed in the past. Unfortunately, lashing out in this manner is not really getting your point across the way I believe you wish. I shoot at a Police range and can out shoot 95% of them. I have been turning wrenches for 40 years and I'm probably better than a good percentage of professional mechanics out there. By your logic, does this mean those aforementioned professionals should not be allowed to work? There are certainly safety issues with them not being able to perform their jobs to a higher standard. Whom sets the standards, you?

 

[matt9923]

Never thaugth id see the day when i agreed with spaceAZZ.
You made valid a hole comments.. i like that
Matt

 

[oldirty]

Here is the basic concept. You are a professional IN the tree but need a lot of work in communicating on the ground ie:here. Prove what???? There are a lot of professionals on here I would listen to and have listened to and you're not one of them. Make sure you don't pick up that circular saw and leave that to the contractors (the professionals) as they are dangerous. You have run one right? That statement sounds pretty foolish, right? You sure do have a leg up on me in a tree and then it stops right there. Obviously you have no idea about respect in life and you surely do not know me or most people on here for that fact. You never know who you might be talking to or their credentials.

yes indeed i would leave the circular saw to a carpenter. in a heartbeat.

in order for me to give respect it needs to be earned. and you my friend are sadly sadly sadly mistaken if you think someone in a warehouse can out cut me. maybe in the wildest of dreams you might have you could possibly hold my file, but thats it.


like i said. stay safe.