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Trees is gone! The tree reaper man came along and chopped her down. What a shame, some people have no respect for unique and historic beauty. I wonder if it was worth the fat wallet. Egos must of been inflated like balloons after cutting that one down. I can see them talking about it now; "we are the men! f-ed that fat boy up!":bang:
 
Hmmm, I would have cut the house down and moved into the tree.:chainsaw::monkey:

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It is a crying shame to see a beautiful tree like that come down. But it happens every day. I had to drop an excellent specimen of Black Locust in this guys yard cause he "didnt like the seeds" in his yard. What a waste.
 
this whole deal was scetchy from the beginning. I think my stump guy/landscaper set me up for failure. I told him to talk to the customer about the rarity of this tree and that he should talk them into a trim job. The guy is a :censored: retard and know nothing about trees.
I could of sold the HO on a nice trim job, a little cabling, and even a little fert for less than it cost to take the tree down. He just wanted a fat wallet. I learned my lesson on this one; BURN YOUR BRIDGE BEFORE THE BRIDGE BURNS YOU!
 
NCTREE said:
The tree was worth more than the crappy house that lye under it
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That crappy house shelters the homeowners from the weather, provides a place to take a shower, watch TV, etc, etc. Aside from shade and property value the tree does nothing for the family. Now they don't have to worry about paying you to come out there and inspect the cables or clean the crown every few years, the tree falling on their crappy house because of a storm, or getting dutch elm disease after they have already payed you to cable and clean up the tree. It's ashame the old Elm is down but don't take it out on the Homeowner. If you feel their house is that crappy go tell them in person.

BTW Even though I still see large American Elms from time to time, that rare tree is rare for a reason.
 
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lego1970 said:
That crappy house shelters the homeowners from the weather, provides a place to take a shower, watch TV, etc, etc. Aside from shade and property value the tree does nothing for the family. Now they don't have to worry about paying you to come out there and inspect the cables or clean the crown every few years, the tree falling on their crappy house because of a storm, or getting dutch elm disease after they have already payed you to cable and clean up the tree. It's ashame the old Elm is down but don't take it out on the Homeowner. If you feel their house is that crappy go tell them in person.

BTW Even though I still see large American Elms from time to time, that rare tree is rare for a reason.
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BTW yes this tree is rare for a couple of reasons; it's old, it's very healthy, and resistant to DED. Large limbs have been stubbed off and have been dead for at least 5 yrs. If you know anything about DED then you know that the elm bark beetle's favorite breeding ground is deadwood.

If everyone thought like you then their wouldn't be old large trees to preserve and study. I found a bumper sticker today from Sherrill that said, "Hire an arborist leave Tom, ####, and Harry to cut the grass. The customer was not educated enough on this tree to make a decision based on the fact that the person giving him advice was not qualified to do so.

You forgot to mention that this tree is one big carbon storage factory, cleaning the crappy air around that crappy house which is located smack next to a very busy four lane road. Also the tree was cut a few months ago, and have noticed recently that the HO has the foundation dug up on all sides which indicates to me that he has water problems now. The house is at the bottom of a hill. I removed two Norway maples on the otherside of the house in late spring. Talk about energy consumption going up.
 
I hear you about preservation, shade, water retainment, and all that stuff, and yes I know all about carbon storage and have mentioned it in other post here on this website. I'm just saying that the tree is old (possibly towards the end of it's life or maybe not) and it is susceptible to dutch elm disease, so while that may be a "crappy house" to you, the owner may not think so and wants to act on it now. Trying to cable and maintain an old Elm could be expensive and possibly just attract the fungus laden beetles anyway, especially if you were going to do this in the beetles active season. If the homeowner lives in a "crappy house" why would you think he has the money or wants to spend the money on constant maintenance of an old at risk tree. Besides, do you call all your potential customers homes "crappy" or just the ones that don't give you the business? I don't know about you but I get a lot of tree work from people that live in homes that are not $300k modern homes. I bet the guy that got the job wasn't calling the homeowners house "crappy" when he cashed that check at the bank.
 
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I hear you about preservation, shade, water retainment, and all that stuff, and yes I know all about carbon storage and have mentioned it in other post here on this website. I'm just saying that the tree is old (possibly towards the end of it's life or maybe not) and it is susceptible to dutch elm disease, so while that may be a "crappy house" to you, the owner may not think so and wants to act on it now. Trying to cable and maintain an old Elm could be expensive and possibly just attract the fungus laden beetles anyway, especially if you were going to do this in the beetles active season. If the homeowner lives in a "crappy house" why would you think he has the money or wants to spend the money on constant maintenance of an old at risk tree. Besides, do you call all your potential customers homes "crappy" or just the ones that don't give you the business? I don't know about you but I get a lot of tree work from people that live in homes that are not $300k modern homes. I bet the guy that got the job wasn't calling the homeowners house "crappy" when he cashed that check at the bank.
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I don't need you telling me how I can and can not talk. Stop trying to analyze everything I say so you can pick a fight with me because you have a problem with me. I was using "crappy" to make a point not to come down on a HO. My problem isn't with the HO it's with the landscaper who didn't give good info and advice first before considering removal.

The other tree guy that took the tree down probably didn't care enough to inform the HO on options.

I don't know how you can make an assumption that a tree is going to get DED. The area I live is near Valley Forge, PA which is known for having DED resistant elms, and their is treatments out that can defeat DED if it is caught early enough. If I was to to trim this tree I would of waited until winter when it's suitable for trimming. I would of took my chances on this tree staying healthy. This elm could have been alive for another 100 yrs, way past the HO lifespan.

I wonder how much it's costing the HO to fix the water problem, that could get expensive. Lot of money that could of been put into the tree for maintenance. How often would I have to do maintenance on the cable job...every 5 years or so. A couple hundred bucks every so many years is a small price to pay for having such a rare tree.
 
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. On some of your post, I agree, but on this post and a couple of your other post I don't agree with you and yes I guess it rubs me the wrong way when you call a modest house crappy becuase you didn't get the job. I can't tell you what to say, but likewise I have the right to disagree and post my thoughts. No big deal.
 
Ok I get your point, I apologize if I offended you or anyone else in this forum with my adjectives. Just blowing off some steam. I will try to be more considerate of others when choosing my words. I here to learn and make friends like everyone else not to fight and bicker.
 
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Woooo that's an amazing American Elm!! No sign of any bark beetle holes? If this is a naturally resist strain to the DED I would be interested in getting a clone... That's amazing. I just started a thread on Elms. Where is this?
 
PinkFloydEffect said:
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Woooo that's an amazing American Elm!! No sign of any bark beetle holes? If this is a naturally resist strain to the DED I would be interested in getting a clone... That's amazing. I just started a thread on Elms. Where is this?
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Did you read the entire thread? the tree is gone, no one will be studying or getting clones or anything from this tree. Yes the tree was very healthy and showed no signs of DED.
 
NCTREE said:
Did you read the entire thread? the tree is gone, no one will be studying or getting clones or anything from this tree. Yes the tree was very healthy and showed no signs of DED.
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No I did not I have a hard time with reading. That's so sad I hope a plane crashed into their house then they would rather have a tree fall on it. So messed up, Elms like that should be straight up illegal to remove.
 
PinkFloydEffect said:
No I did not I have a hard time with reading. That's so sad I hope a plane crashed into their house then they would rather have a tree fall on it. So messed up, Elms like that should be straight up illegal to remove.
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Now now we don't want to wish harm on anyone or property.

You sound like you have passion for this profession which is a great thing, many people do this stuff but dont give a crap and don't care to learn. You should take that passion and use it to keep learning. Keep posting and asking questions in here, maybe take some classes. People from your area might be able to swing you in the right direction on where to take some local courses. Your state college might have a cooperative extension office that can give you info on seminars, and short courses. Check organizations like ISA.

I think if you really want to persue this career you should get work experience with a tree care business. This means you will probably have to learn to climb safely and get over your fears. Like I said their is only so much you can do on the ground. I hate to tell you this but yes you will have to cut trees down, it's just part of the job of being an arborist and as you gain knowledge you will see why.
 
NCTREE said:
Now now we don't want to wish harm on anyone or property.

You sound like you have passion for this profession which is a great thing, many people do this stuff but dont give a crap and don't care to learn. You should take that passion and use it to keep learning. Keep posting and asking questions in here, maybe take some classes. People from your area might be able to swing you in the right direction on where to take some local courses. Your state college might have a cooperative extension office that can give you info on seminars, and short courses. Check organizations like ISA.

I do and would like to, I just have a hard time in a classroom I dropped out of high school.

I think if you really want to persue this career you should get work experience with a tree care business. This means you will probably have to learn to climb safely and get over your fears. Like I said their is only so much you can do on the ground. I hate to tell you this but yes you will have to cut trees down, it's just part of the job of being an arborist and as you gain knowledge you will see why.

I've sent several emails and known will return one I would LOVE to intern with a crew or anyone. I know but only if you HAVE to that Elm did not HAVE to be removed. It was a choice, a very selfish one on the home owners part. Like I said there should be some sort of law to prevent idiots from destroying our heritage.
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I stated my case on this tree and now it's a done deal no need to live in the past on that one. The homeowner didn't have all the info to make a choice which I take partial responsibility for. You can't win them all and this business has a way of throwing it in your face, it just comes with the trade.
 

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