look, i am not doubting noticing a couple pounds in a tree. but i own both of these saws,and i have dynoed both saws. 25" bar and there is no noticable difference. truth be known a 441 will make an honest 5.8 hp on the dyno,and makes that power quicker and longer through the powerband. the strato design is a heavier one no doubt,but it makes more torque, period. thats is why it will run so close to a 460. 461 saws will be out in a year or so,they will be up on power AND weight. then there will be a noticable difference,like the 440/460. the 441 design is here to stay like it or not