Is this what Stihl's have come to?

[mountainlake]

HUSKY is overrated!!!!!! oke: I have some homeowner saws, they are good for what they are good for... I wouldn't put my MS390 into a 60" oak but in a 20" oak no problem. As for my MS250 it was free!!! it has a few broken parts but runs good...I still think HUSKY is very overrated!!! That is my $.02!!!

A Husky Rancher 455 is rated at 3.4 hp, a Stihl MS290 is rated at 3.8 hp. Which one cuts faster? HP numbers sells saws to the uniformed. Steve

 

[ZeroJunk]

Most of the ones who dwell on fraction of a second cutting speed are some firewood cutters who cut two cords a year that turns in to ten cords a year on the internet. And, those who play with saws and on internet forums and never cut anything.

If you look at what used saws bring on the market nothing compares with Stihl. There is a reason.

 

[Tzed250]

Overrated is the correct word - people buy them because of the hype that Stihl puts out, not because they are very good saws - as they sure aren't!

At least Stihl has the balls to put their name on those saws. Husqvarna builds junk, then passes it off in box stores as a Poulan. That way the precious Husky name isn't soiled. They even have you fooled!!!


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[Coloradobum]

I think you're a liar. The ms 250 is powerful at it's 3.0bhp rating. Prove a video otherwise.

Lots of trolls here. The trolls will have you think the homeowner Stihl's are junk and don't run worth ****. That's bullchit because lots of commercial outfits use ms 250 and 290's day in and out beating it up and it still runs. If one thing Stihl is known for, it's durability even in their cheap homeowner lineup.

Yawn. Another Stihl fanboy that dismisses any reality that he doesn't like. 99.9% chance he's never run, or even laid hands on, a gz4000. I've run both saws and know how they stack up. If you don't like it too bad. If you think it is powerful for it's rating you need to get out more.

I give credit where it is due. I already said Stihl makes some good saws, I would own some if the right deal came along. Only a biased fool will pretend the ms250 is one of them.

 

[Coloradobum]

But what if the car let you pull the lever out of park without holding the brake down, but if you did it, the shift linkage would shift out of place and you couldn't put it back into park without crawling under the car to realign the linkage? It wouldn't be a design flaw, it'd just be operator error, just like the combo switch on the Stihl, right?

My Dolmars set the choke, ignition, and throttle with one flip of the master switch. If I hadn't seen this thread, I'd never think to do it with a Stihl. Now, if there's a lot of resistance to moving the lever to choke without pulling the trigger while doing it, I would probably notice something was wrong, and maybe think of pulling the trigger.

Exactly. A well designed saw will not baffle experienced users and mechanics.

 

[blsnelling]

A well designed saw will not baffle experienced users and mechanics.

You're making a mighty broad statement there. You're certainly not talking about experience Stihl users. I don't think 99% of the users have this problem. It's only those that aren't familiar with the controls on a Stihl, and don't know how to operate the saw. Like I said before, it's operator error, plain and simple. Would it be nice if the switch couldn't be forced out of position if operated incorrectly? Sure. I call that a design improvement, not a design flaw of the current. The burden of responsibility is on the operator here. The saw operates EXACTLY as designed. Learn how to use it.

 

[Diesel Pro]

Nice to see some good information coming out even with "the Wolves circling".

What one needs to consider when you defend a particular part, or parts, and throw a few rocks at the operator, and the messenger in this particular case, is that this is a relatively "low end" Stihl saw, and targeted at the "homeowner", not a professional.

Even though the saw is two years old, it has only a few hours run time on it. WHY would the air cleaner be loose and falling off of in the first place? It was flopping all over the place, as the snaps were spread wide enough only one was attached at any particular time. This would allow a LOT of unfiltered air into the engine if not corrected. The homeowner had never even had the cover off of it till yesterday.

This particular homeowner is a great guy, a good neighbor, and obviously a pretty smart guy with several degrees. He bought a Stihl chainsaw because of the name, and reputation, no other reason. He obviously doesn't use it very often, once or twice a year at most. So back to my original comment/observation:

IF setting or trying to set the choke without pulling the throttle FIRST causes that little spring steel stop to find it's way under the switch, that's just not a good deal all the way around.....IMHO

Then Mr. Homeowner pulls the cover off and starts pissing around with things he has no clue about, and ends up driving to the dealer to get a 30 second lesson in how to put the spring steel part back on top of the switch. Come on guys, Stihl can do better than that.

Does anyone on here really think the owner of a casually used saw is going to pull out the owners manual before trying to fire it up, once or twice a year? I'll bet my next months pay they are going to go right for the choke and the pull cord.

Cripe, Winter would be over before I could even find an owners manual for one of my saws!

For the guy asking about the 028WB, nearly as I can remember the saw was deemed by the dealer to need considerably work (he actually recomended junking it) simply because a spring in the air cleaner was allowing the choke flap to suck shut at full throttle/load. It's been nearly a year since I worked on that saw, but I distinctly remember a small spring and some sort of choke flap as part of the air cleaner assembly. The repair was easy, I installed a new air cleaner assembly, the spring was much stronger and didn't allow the choke flap to suck closed when the saw was in use.......Cliff

You've just been spoiled by the slick operation of the Husqvarna controls. they did a fantastic job of laying this out.

I worked on a MS260 recently and really wondered why the switch was so small and worked so hard for a piece of plastic. Guess it was operator error, but it's just not intuitive to throttle something before starting after running a Husqvarna where you pull the choke and pull the rope...

I can't say anything about the air filter as the 260 has some nice big screws holding it on.

 

[ZeroJunk]

Perhaps Stihl should require a rudimentary test like the ability to put a square peg in a square hole before they will sell you a saw.

 

[2000ssm6]

I hate my Stihls MCL. Everytime I need to start mine, I have to call NASA and speak to their rocket scientists for advice. I'm selling all my Stihls and moving to echo!!!!!!!!




































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[Coloradobum]

You're making a mighty broad statement there. You're certainly not talking about experience Stihl users. I don't think 99% of the users have this problem. It's only those that aren't familiar with the controls on a Stihl, and don't know how to operate the saw. Like I said before, it's operator error, plain and simple. Would it be nice if the switch couldn't be forced out of position if operated incorrectly? Sure. I call that a design improvement, not a design flaw of the current. The burden of responsibility is on the operator here. The saw operates EXACTLY as designed. Learn how to use it.

That's the point. An experienced chainsaw user shouldn't have to read a manual to start a friggin' chainsaw. What if every brand had their own design? Do we have to memorize half a dozen or more control systems?

Go rent an Infiniti and you'll realize what I'm talking about after you spend 5 minutes trying to start the car with the "key". Some things work well and shouldn't be messed with. Design flaw.

 

[blsnelling]

That's the point. An experienced chainsaw user shouldn't have to read a manual to start a friggin' chainsaw. What if every brand had their own design? Do we have to memorize half a dozen or more control systems?

Go rent an Infiniti and you'll realize what I'm talking about after you spend 5 minutes trying to start the car with the "key". Some things work well and shouldn't be messed with. Design flaw.

Bah humbug.

 

[flimflam]

Yawn. Another Stihl fanboy that dismisses any reality that he doesn't like. 99.9% chance he's never run, or even laid hands on, a gz4000. I've run both saws and know how they stack up. If you don't like it too bad. If you think it is powerful for it's rating you need to get out more.

I give credit where it is due. I already said Stihl makes some good saws, I would own some if the right deal came along. Only a biased fool will pretend the ms250 is one of them.

That's funny my man! considering I work at a Stihl, Husqvarna, Redmax, Echo, Dolmar and everything else dealership and my choice of brand in general is Husqvarna for chainsaws. Make a video, troller.

 

[THALL10326]

That's funny my man! considering I work at a Stihl, Husqvarna, Redmax, Echo, Dolmar and everything else dealership and my choice of brand in general is Husqvarna for chainsaws. Make a video, troller.

Make a va diddy o, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,hehe

 

[2000ssm6]

Go rent an Infiniti and you'll realize what I'm talking about after you spend 5 minutes trying to start the car with the "key". Some things work well and shouldn't be messed with. Design flaw.

They are not hard. Once you buy a Infiniti, your salesman or previous owner will go over how to start it. If not, you won't be going anywhere. Most newer vehicles are going to this push start, very nice option once you are shown how to use it. Bad for the back yard mechanics.

You guys keep blowing this out of proportion while we sit back and If you don't like Stihls design, don't buy one.

 

[dieselram]

You've just been spoiled by the slick operation of the Husqvarna controls.
I worked on a MS260 recently and really wondered why the switch was so small and worked so hard for a piece of plastic.

It's funny, I always wondered why everyone likes the POS switch on the husky's??? You can't get to it with big gloves on. It breaks all the time... I also ran a husky 570, That was another one with a small switch, can't get to it with gloves... How are better????

At least with the Stihl controls you can get to them without letting go of the saw with your right hand... And yes, I AM A STIHL FANBOY!!!! whats the problem with that??????? It's not that I won't run other saws, I just prefer STIHL saws...

 

[blsnelling]

What I'm hearing from those that don't know how to operate a Stihl chainsaw, is that if it's different than what they're used to, that it's wrong, it's a design flaw. All brands are never going to operate the same. Get over it. Buy the brand you like. Me, I like any good running saw, and I can operate any of them too. If I can't, it's my fault.

 

[Skier76]

I only read the first post of this thread. I'm also just your basic homeowner with an MS250.

I've had mine since July and used it a fair amount to cut some smaller stuff up.

The key with removing that cover assembly is to drop the choke lever down to full choke (bottom position). With the lever all the way down, removing and installing the cover won't cause any issues. The guy at the shop told me about this and it's printed in the manual.

I agree that the air filter design is a little odd. But it seems to stay in place for me.

 

[blsnelling]

I only read the first post of this thread. I'm also just your basic homeowner with an MS250.

I've had mine since July and used it a fair amount to cut some smaller stuff up.

The key with removing that cover assembly is to drop the choke lever down to full choke (bottom position). With the lever all the way down, removing and installing the cover won't cause any issues. The guy at the shop told me about this and it's printed in the manual.

I agree that the air filter design is a little odd. But it seems to stay in place for me.

You must be a genius! Can I have your autograph?

 

[Coloradobum]

They are not hard. Once you buy a Infiniti, your salesman or previous owner will go over how to start it. If not, you won't be going anywhere. Most newer vehicles are going to this push start, very nice option once you are shown how to use it. Bad for the back yard mechanics.

You guys keep blowing this out of proportion while we sit back and If you don't like Stihls design, don't buy one.

those keys don't do anything a remote starter and normal fob do. They are ridiculously expensive to replace too. Not an improvement IMHO.

First time I ever encountered one was on a rental when they first came out. I was standing in the airport parking garage scratching my head. Finally found the slot in the dash. Not every improvement is.

 

[bookerdog]

Wow this is steal going and I didn't even start it.:monkey: