Is this what Stihl's have come to?

[THALL10326]

So instead of discussing this thread, you all just want to fight with Sawtroll?

I'm not fighting with Sawtroll at all, I'm just correcting him with facts, true facts. Now Fish have you ever notice when there is the slightest gripe about a Stihl he's right there to pile on, no matter how small the gripe. I might smell his hiny but no, I'm not gonna kiss it,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Muffler Bearing]

I might smell his hiny but no, I'm not gonna kiss it,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

:welcome:

 

[CentaurG2]

Very well thought out post and clearly stated.

What did you expect for nothing??

 

[ZeroJunk]

I guess I'm just slow. I've been running Stihls all these years and never knew the control switch was a problem.

 

[Slamm]

I guess I'm just slow. I've been running Stihls all these years and never knew the control switch was a problem.

Well now that you know it is a problem of great significance, you should start having problems with it, almost immediately if you know what you are doing.

Sam

 

[Dan_IN_MN]

It's all about perspective......

As you see by my sig I don't own a Stihl.....yet. One hasn't come my way.

That being said when I go to start one (a friend owns 3) I go to set the choke and then I have to remember to pull the throttle to do so. So, I run my chainsaws just about every month of the year, and still have to think about how to put the lever past the run position with a Stihl. I push and then the lever stops moving. Then I remember the throttle.

It's kinda like shifting an automatic trannie. Do you without thinking put your foot on the brake pedal before shifting out of park? Probably. However, if you have driven a vehicle that doesn't require the brake to be applied before shifting from park, you'll probably have to think about it if you don't do it every day.

My 58 Plymouth I can shift to drive without touching the brake. In matter of fact, it doesn't have a shift lever. It has buttons to change gears and it doesn't have a park button. It only has N, R, D, and L. It does have a parking brake that if you don't set it the car will roll. That's right....this is a car that you have to use more of your brain to drive!

Perspective....??? What has shaped your perspective?

 

[Coloradobum]

I went over to help a friend take out some small trees the other day. He had his ms250 and I had my Redmax GZ4000 and 5300 along. The 4000 is 40cc but it pulls an 18" bar no problem. His 250 had a 16 and bogged more than my saw did. I was very unimpressed by his 250, and by the time we were done he was too. We traded saws off and at the end of the day he asked me if I would trade him straight up lol.

Stihl makes some good saws but the 250 is not one of them. An Echo, Efco, or Redmax of similar size is a far better and more powerful saw for the same price (or less!). At "3.0" HP how did my 2.4 HP 40cc saw cut faster? Hmmmm....

And no, his saw wasn't running bad.

 

[SawTroll]

SCREW the main point.

If a guy has half a brain, he knows checks in the 2 stroke starting list. He should. . .

These so called design flaws are nothing more that a few dumbasses that probably #### up everything they touch. . . . .

Well, I don't screw anything up even on those saws - but it is easier than it should be to do so! :greenchainsaw:

 

[GASoline71]

And no, his saw wasn't running bad.

But was the chain sharp???

Gary

 

[Coloradobum]

But was the chain sharp???

Gary

Lol yes. We both had sharp full chisel. He was cutting at the top of the hill at one point, and I was at the bottom. That 20' of elevation must have robbed all his power. The air was thinner by 0.00001%. Yeah, that's the ticket...

 

[GASoline71]

That 20' of elevation must have robbed all his power. The air was thinner by 0.00001%. Yeah, that's the ticket...

HAHAHA!

Musta needed an O2 tank...

Gary

 

[wyk]

Our little trimmer on the ranch is an MS250. I rarely use it because it is so underpowered. It takes a LOT of abuse and will not die. However, one day I got sick of it after the chain went dull and the cutting went to almost as though it had no chain, and I modified the exhaust muffler and adjusted the carb. It cut twice as fast with the same dull chain after that! A little loud now, tho:

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[Anthony_Va.]

I think it's funny to listen to the "other" brand fanboys talk about the wolves coming out when someone mentioned a flaw with a Stihl.

Then you look at a Husky, Dolmar, Echo, etc. bash thread and the same guys calling the Stihl fanboys wolves are there howling about how superior they're brand is. It's rediculous.

And to say something has a design flaw, when only a few people are having the problem is far fethced IMO. Seems the ones calling it a design flaw are just the ones that don't know how to work the switch. It amazes me that they can't start a Stihl correctly. Is the reason I've never had any problems with the switch because I run mostly Stihl? No, because I run alot of Husky's at work too, and can work the switch just as good, even though I don't like the Husky switch as good as the Stihl.

I personally think Stihl and Husky could make the Switches a little more durable, but I will not say that there is a design flaw to either of them. Things break, and reckless people are usually the ones doing the breaking.

And I can't believe alot of people arent reading owners manuals. That shocks me. I read them on anything I buy just because I'm bored usually.

This thread rubbed me the wrong way too. If you're going to bash something, just basj it and admit it. Don't say you're not when you obviously are.

This is all JMO. A guy who runs Stihl, and appreciates a good saw, no matter who's name is stamped on the side. No need to bash a good brand IMO.

Husky, Dolmar, and Stihl are the three brands I appreciate. The rest of the modern saws I can live without.

And please guys, if you can't operate a control switch on any type of saw, don't risk running the saw. You could very possibly get yourselves hurt or killed.

 

[flimflam]

I went over to help a friend take out some small trees the other day. He had his ms250 and I had my Redmax GZ4000 and 5300 along. The 4000 is 40cc but it pulls an 18" bar no problem. His 250 had a 16 and bogged more than my saw did. I was very unimpressed by his 250, and by the time we were done he was too. We traded saws off and at the end of the day he asked me if I would trade him straight up lol.

Stihl makes some good saws but the 250 is not one of them. An Echo, Efco, or Redmax of similar size is a far better and more powerful saw for the same price (or less!). At "3.0" HP how did my 2.4 HP 40cc saw cut faster? Hmmmm....

And no, his saw wasn't running bad.

-By far the best thing about this saw is the power it has for a 40cc engine. Despite a 2.4hp rating it seemed to cut as fast as my friend's MS 250.

I think you're a liar. The ms 250 is powerful at it's 3.0bhp rating. Prove a video otherwise.

Lots of trolls here. The trolls will have you think the homeowner Stihl's are junk and don't run worth ****. That's bullchit because lots of commercial outfits use ms 250 and 290's day in and out beating it up and it still runs. If one thing Stihl is known for, it's durability even in their cheap homeowner lineup.

 

[banshee67]

Not really wanting to start a Stihl bashing thread or anything of the sort,

I'm glad I never got all wrapped up in the "lengendary" Stihl saw thing

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[Cliff R]

PLEASE forgive me guys, all of this has to be "operator error". I'm just a dumb-ars Ohio "hill-jack", (weez realwe dunt no sheet bout deez tings), and IMMEDIATELY after this post will quickly receed back under my rock.

To make everything right, you can all rest assured that I will run right out this morning and put a chain on the operators manual for the MS250 and have the Chemistry Professor wear it around his neck every time he decides to pull it out and cut up a few twigs.

We will even schedule some training sessions on how to correctly operate the choke/run/off switch.

I'm truely sorry that I even mentioned any sort of potential problem in the same paragragh as the lengendary "Stihl" name. It will never happen again, I can assure you.......Cliff

 

[mountainlake]

Cliff, you ought to know better than to say anything bad about any Stihl chainsaw even thier overrated homeowner models. How do you change the timing on a MS170, just loosen the nut and flywheel and turn the flywheel one way or another for about 10 degrees. That's how sloppy the machining is on that saw. Steve

 

[SawTroll]

Cliff, you ought to know better than to say anything bad about any Stihl chainsaw even thier overrated homeowner models. How do you change the timing on a MS170, just loosen the nut and flywheel and turn the flywheel one way or another for about 10 degrees. That how sloppy the machining is on that saw. Steve

Overrated is the correct word - people buy them because of the hype that Stihl puts out, not because they are very good saws - as they sure aren't!

 

[dieselram]

Overrated is the correct word - people buy them because of the hype that Stihl puts out, not because they are very good saws - as they sure aren't!

HUSKY is overrated!!!!!! oke: I have some homeowner saws, they are good for what they are good for... I wouldn't put my MS390 into a 60" oak but in a 20" oak no problem. As for my MS250 it was free!!! it has a few broken parts but runs good...I still think HUSKY is very overrated!!! That is my $.02!!!

 

[Taxmantoo]

It's kinda like shifting an automatic trannie. Do you without thinking put your foot on the brake pedal before shifting out of park? Probably. However, if you have driven a vehicle that doesn't require the brake to be applied before shifting from park, you'll probably have to think about it if you don't do it every day.

But what if the car let you pull the lever out of park without holding the brake down, but if you did it, the shift linkage would shift out of place and you couldn't put it back into park without crawling under the car to realign the linkage? It wouldn't be a design flaw, it'd just be operator error, just like the combo switch on the Stihl, right?

My Dolmars set the choke, ignition, and throttle with one flip of the master switch. If I hadn't seen this thread, I'd never think to do it with a Stihl. Now, if there's a lot of resistance to moving the lever to choke without pulling the trigger while doing it, I would probably notice something was wrong, and maybe think of pulling the trigger.