Gonna get me a Tractor!!

[brncreeper]

I like my 4020 and 720 loader. My dad's 756 gas and Bushhog loader is also very handy. In the picture we were moving 96round bales, about 1400lbs. each. I could haul 9 bales at a time.
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[woodman6666]

Rig welder and Steve are pretty much right on the only thing I would add is that anything made in china is junk. Stay away from kioti and mahindra and any of those goofy names, Kubota is decent I prefer JD or IH also newholland is decent. heck an old M farmall with loader might work. Watch farm auctions in your area especially the ones where the oldtimer is gettin out of farming and selling all of his equipment there you will find what you are seeking, and when you do go to his place a day or so before the auction and talk to the old timer and run it some. Good luck

 

[PA Plumber]

Nice to see this thread.

The Cat in my avatar sold a couple of weeks ago. Kinda Bittersweet.

Have been look'n at 'Bota myself, but they are salty.
The M59 has caught my attention. Would think it'd include a restroom, with full jacuzzi bath, at the price they are asking.

Guess I'll keep looking for now.

 

[TreePointer]

TJ-Bill, what's your intended use? All know for sure is that you want to put a rear snow blower on it.

Rear snowblower for how big of a driveway/lot?
Moving firewood?
Skidding logs?
Finish mowing? Brush cutting (brush hogging)? How big of an area?
Plowing/planting/harvesting?
Livestock?
Other?

 

[Hedgerow]

Rig welder and Steve are pretty much right on the only thing I would add is that anything made in china is junk. Stay away from kioti and mahindra and any of those goofy names, Kubota is decent I prefer JD or IH also newholland is decent. heck an old M farmall with loader might work. Watch farm auctions in your area especially the ones where the oldtimer is gettin out of farming and selling all of his equipment there you will find what you are seeking, and when you do go to his place a day or so before the auction and talk to the old timer and run it some. Good luck

Careful now.... Or I'll send pics of the Kioti DK65 getting the 4640 out of a real jam... In the 65 hp class, I'd put the one I got up against ANY other. 1100 hours and counting... Just saying...
:confident:

 

[Oldtimer]

I'd rather have a 20 HP 4x4 than a 50 HP 2x4.

If you want a JD without the price, get an early to late 80s Yanmar. They made the JDs.

Here's a few decent machines in NH.

Ford 1910 Compact Utility 4x4 Diesel Tractor Loader
**BOLENS TRACTOR**
Same Tractor 4x4 With Cab
kubota 1750 tractor loader diesel 4x4
1997 NEW HOLLAND-FORD 1725 TRACTOR

 

[rancher2]

Steve in NW WI gives a very good overview on what to look for. If you know very little about tractors, a knowledgeable friend along for the ride is invaluable.

A little of my opinion on what to consider - Unless you KNOW a dead manufacturer's tractor inside and out, are willing to learn, or have a very good friend that does, I'd avoid it. IH has been dead since the 80's when Case bought them. They were killed a second time in the late 90's when New Holland bought Case and even deep-sixed the IH name. They made several good tractors (dunno 'bout the 624), but they're gone and parts get harder to find every year.

You pay more for Deere because Deere is still alive and mostly supports their past products. You can still go into a Deere dealership and get parts (may not be the best bang for your buck, but they're THERE) on Deere tractors made in the 50's. You can buy a 4020, but they're a very high tractor - good for clearance and great for field work, but not so good in the woods. I'd be looking for utility machines. You give up a little clearance, but you'll have a more stable machine that will fit under and around trees better. I prefer to mow pasture in and around the woods with my 2040 and 6 foot mower vs. my 4430 and 10 foot mower.

Good luck with whatever machine you buy.

This is so true. I work on a fair amount of tractors for people and parts are a real problem for the older tractors that there companys have sold out or are completely gone like white. Stay with John deere they hold there value and you can get parts.

 

[JimmyT]

4wd

TJ-Bill, whatever you get just make sure it is four wheel drive. You can get a John Deere 1070 4WD 40hp for around $6500

 

[TJ-Bill]

Well , I went and looked at the 624 tonight. The tractor wasn't bad really, new engine (used) new filters and lines, it started up real nice with no smoke. Switched gears smooth.

Draw backs were both front and rear tires on 1 side were toast.. and the loader (which was off and laying in the woods in pieces) was in rough shape. I think it's a bit big for what I need. I figured it was but I went to look anyway, I figure I'll never learn anything or have anything to compare the next 1 to if I don't start looking and kicking tires.

Some of you guys asked what my intentions are with the tractor.

We just moved into a 3000 acre ranch, we have 15 horses and 20 head of cattle along with a few hundred birds. I have about 750 acres of field I'd like to hay, and I figured I should get a good tractor.

So,,

I'm just messing with you.. hehehe..

I only have 10 acres, 2 horses and about 1-2 acres of field/mud.. the rest is wooded. My main reason for wanting the tractor is to blow the yard in the winter (including around the barn and manure pile) and for helping around the house (why I want the loader).. I do have wood to cut but hauling/skidding isn't really a worry. I'd like to clear some land and plant a garden but I'm not expecting miracles..

 

[porta mill]

tractor

Are you dead set on a tractor? do you want to put a mower or other impements on the tractor? Are you are mainly looking to use it for wood prossessing and hauling ? Have you thougth about a skidsteere . You can lift heavy logs with a set of forks and cary them to your landing site, push brush or drag the tree to where you want to do your cutting and splitting . skidsteere's are alot harder to get stuck than a tractor you can always use the bucket to push your self out of the mud if you get stuck . If you have no experiance with a tractor and try to lift heavy logs on side hill it is possibal to flip the tractor over . If you have a heavy load on the loader the rear of the tractor gets very light .with a skidsteere is less likely to flip . I have a skidsteere and use of a tractor the tractor is only 20ish hp with a loder but I can say I would never give up the skidsteere it is much more use full to me . they do make blower attachments for skidsteeres also. Good luck with any thing you purchase.

 

[farmerboybill]

Porta mill makes a very good point. Growing up on a 60 cow dairy farm in the 80's and 90's, we never had a loader tractor. I logged thousands of hours on a Bobcat 753. When I had my first opportunity to run a loader at age 19, I thought, "Why would anyone want THIS over a skid steer?!?" I have a 521 loader for my F-I-L's 2040, but took it off the day I got it. About everything I do is with a Deere 317.

Skid steers are more maneuverable, have better visibility, more compact, have MANY more attachment options, and almost always have rollover and falling object protection. About the only thing a loader tractor has over a skid steer is the ability to travel at higher speeds (15 to 20 mph). Of course, you CAN get more capacity with a loader tractor if you look into a bigger one, but you're talking 60 hp. They're not gonna be rated much higher than a ton. A 753 Bobcat is 40 hp, has 1300 lb lift capacity, 13 GPM auxilliary oil capacity, 2600 lb tip capacity,and can usually be had for 7-10k

 

[TreePointer]

I'm no expert on horses, but 10 acres is not too big for an under 50hp tractor. A 30-something hp diesel will probably get it done, but make sure you buy the tractor that can run the implements you want to run (PTO hp, overall weight, 3-pt hitch class, etc.)

I use a John Deere 4600 (1999) for most things:
- 43 hp Yanmar 4-cylinder diesel
- hydrostatic transmission (nice for intense loader work)
- 2/4WD
- cat-1 3-point hitch
- 35 hp rear PTO (540 rpm)
- 6" FEL
- 72" rotary brush cutter (Woods).
- 64" rear PTO snowblower (Frontier).

Used, it's still over 10K, but you might not need this much tractor.

Pics (sorry for the darkness--most were taken at dusk)

 

[TreePointer]

As others have stated, many opt for the skidsteer. Around here, I often see skidsteers around barns with animals.

 

[hydro2]

I got rid of thisView attachment 192334 to get thisView attachment 192335 and never looked back. I have 337 acres and an outside woodburner. I bought the skidloader brand new along with steel tracks. I only put 300 hours on it in six years. I have 50 hours in my tractor in three months.

It is a breeze to grade my roads with a boxblade. I can pull my wood trailer behind it and I don't need tracks to be able to move around in the woods. I had a bobcat skidloader before the jd. They were great when building my house. But I find the tractor so much more versatile.

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[hydro2]

Check out the forum tractor by net. They have lots of good info.

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[JimmyT]

John Deere 4600--One Tough Hombre

Treepointer, nice post. My J.D. 1070 is a 1990 and is the same size as your 4600.

 

[KiwiBro]

I got rid of thisView attachment 192334 to get thisView attachment 192335 and never looked back. I have 337 acres and an outside woodburner. I bought the skidloader brand new along with steel tracks. I only put 300 hours on it in six years. I have 50 hours in my tractor in three months.

It is a breeze to grade my roads with a boxblade. I can pull my wood trailer behind it and I don't need tracks to be able to move around in the woods. I had a bobcat skidloader before the jd. They were great when building my house. But I find the tractor so much more versatile.

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artec package deal by any chance?

 

[4seasons]

Just did this myself

I recently got my first tractor myself and the thread about it is here
http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/173661.htm

That is a 1401D Yanmar. 14 pto HP 4wd. As you can see it has been well abused and still runs well. I still have a few things to fix but I payed way less than the 5-6k you are talking about. Grey market tractors are were the deals are to be found. You have to do the research before you buy to make sure it is a common model and you can get parts for it but the value is in the used Japan imports. Yanmar built JD's compact tractors for years and they aren't China junk like some brands are. There are many other models and brands to choose from so look at all your options before you buy. It is also a great idea to take a tractor smart friend along to check the condition of the tractor. But don't let anyone tell you that a grey market tractor won't hold up or do the work of the overpriced big color brands.

 

[TreePointer]

I just remembered that you'll be snow blowing in Canada--a model that can be fitted with an enclosed cab (permanent or removable) may be desirable.

 

[Steve NW WI]

Whole lotta quotes to go through here, bear with me.

\IH has been dead since the 80's when Case bought them. They were killed a second time in the late 90's when New Holland bought Case and even deep-sixed the IH name. They made several good tractors (dunno 'bout the 624), but they're gone and parts get harder to find every year.

You pay more for Deere because Deere is still alive and mostly supports their past products.

True, except for parts availability. I can still get parts for my M Farmall over the counter, and I'd bet for any 30 series Case, probably older as well, and a 9N Ford at my local CNH (CaseNewHolland) dealer. Do a little research before posting my friend. Try to find parts for a JD5430 SP chopper next time you're in your Deere dealer...

Careful now.... Or I'll send pics of the Kioti DK65 getting the 4640 out of a real jam... In the 65 hp class, I'd put the one I got up against ANY other. 1100 hours and counting... Just saying...
:confident:

No pics, didn't happen. With pics, you may be the coolest Koyotee tractor owner on the planet!

I'd rather have a 20 HP 4x4 than a 50 HP 2x4.

If you want a JD without the price, get an early to late 80s Yanmar. They made the JDs.

Here's a few decent machines in NH.

Ford 1910 Compact Utility 4x4 Diesel Tractor Loader
**BOLENS TRACTOR**
Same Tractor 4x4 With Cab
kubota 1750 tractor loader diesel 4x4
1997 NEW HOLLAND-FORD 1725 TRACTOR

Yanmar built the -50 and -70 series Deeres, I believe the 4000 series is built in GA now with some (mostly?) Yanmar parts.

I'll take ya up on the 20HP 4x vs 50hp 2x tractor any day. Hook onto whatever your lawn mower will drag, and me and my old farmall will drag your tractor and the load the other way. Power, traction, ballast, and a good operator will overcome a driving front axle any day. (Oldtimer, I've read enough of your posts to respect ya quite a bit, but that statement's over the top and you know it)

This is so true. I work on a fair amount of tractors for people and parts are a real problem for the older tractors that there companys have sold out or are completely gone like white. Stay with John deere they hold there value and you can get parts.

Want White parts? Oliver parts? Minneapolis Moline parts? Cockshutt parts? Allis Chalmers parts? Massey Harris parts? Go to your local Agco dealer. Chances are they sold those tractors new back in the day and know all about em. AGCO still has parts for the infamous AC rotobaler in stock. If they'll fix one of them godforsaken pieces of excrement, they'll dang sure sell ya tractor parts.

Want an orphan tractor you cant find parts for? Try Porsche or Lamborghini (look it up folks, they both made tractors!)

TJ-Bill, whatever you get just make sure it is four wheel drive. You can get a John Deere 1070 4WD 40hp for around $6500

4x4 is important on little tractors with loaders. The bigger the tractor gets, the less important the MFD is for loader use.

Are you dead set on a tractor? do you want to put a mower or other impements on the tractor? Are you are mainly looking to use it for wood prossessing and hauling ? Have you thougth about a skidsteere . You can lift heavy logs with a set of forks and cary them to your landing site, push brush or drag the tree to where you want to do your cutting and splitting . skidsteere's are alot harder to get stuck than a tractor you can always use the bucket to push your self out of the mud if you get stuck . If you have no experiance with a tractor and try to lift heavy logs on side hill it is possibal to flip the tractor over . If you have a heavy load on the loader the rear of the tractor gets very light .with a skidsteere is less likely to flip . I have a skidsteere and use of a tractor the tractor is only 20ish hp with a loder but I can say I would never give up the skidsteere it is much more use full to me . they do make blower attachments for skidsteeres also. Good luck with any thing you purchase.

Screw it, I'm not starting this fight again. Buy a dang tractor and enjoy it, or get a $#@@ skidsteer and ##### about how much the attachments cost, how it tears up the yard every time you turn around, how much the parts are, how big of a pain in the butt it is to get to everything you need to fix on it, how fast it sinks to the belly pan in mud, how much it costs for the 3/4 ton truck and 10,000GVW trailer to haul it from place to place with, and how big of a pain it is to put the steel tracks on just to go somewhere in bad conditions. Nope, not gonna start that fight. Skid steers are WAAAY better than tractors. You heard it here first folks.