Gonna get me a Tractor!!

[porta mill]

I am not trying to tell this guy to buy a skidsteere I said I personally rather a skidsteere better than a tractor . I did not mean a skidsteere's is a better optsion for everyone. a tractor might be a better way to go . it was said a 3/4 ton truck and 10,000 gvw trailer will be needed to move a skidsteere . once you get over a 30 hp tractor what do you think will be needed to to haul it. not a mini van and a little homedepot trailer. any way good luck

 

[BSD]

for only 10 acres I think you should look in the 35-50 hp range and 4wd. personally we have 3 kubotas in the family. a bx2350, b3030 and L48 TLB. the bbx2350 is an oversized garden tractor with a loader but I find its very useful for my biz. the b3030 is our newest purchase and its a nice little CUT. its pretty darn stout for its weight and size. It has a backhoe too. the L48 is our largest TLB. It's rated @ 2500lbs lift cap in the front and has a removeable hoe. I put a 6' snowblower on the rear in the winter. All of our machines are HST (hydrostatic shift tranny) and it's darn nice not to have to be banging gears all day long. A lot of tractor folks use them in hay fields or whatever and only have to shift a handful of times. if you're using it around a house and farm you're going to want HST. While I prefer Kubota, that 43hp deere is pretty much what I'm describing. IMO you're only going to buy a turd for $6000 budget. either up the budget or buy a smaller machine to tide you over for now.

 

[Oldtimer]

TJ-Bill, whatever you get just make sure it is four wheel drive. You can get a John Deere 1070 4WD 40hp for around $6500

Perhaps down in Dixie you can buy a 4x4 40HP Deere for that, but up in the great white north that machine will run you $15K minimum.
I searched Dallas and Houston Texas for 4x4 tractors and was AMAZED. A Kubota 30HP 4x4 with a loader, york rake, and brush hog can be found for $10K down there...up here, add at least $8K.

I think there might be money to be made importing 4x4 tractors from the south to the north..

 

[JimmyT]

Cost of Living Index

Perhaps down in Dixie you can buy a 4x4 40HP Deere for that, but up in the great white north that machine will run you $15K minimum.
I searched Dallas and Houston Texas for 4x4 tractors and was AMAZED. A Kubota 30HP 4x4 with a loader, york rake, and brush hog can be found for $10K down there...up here, add at least $8K.

I think there might be money to be made importing 4x4 tractors from the south to the north..

Oldtimer, I know the cost of living is higher up North. I have seen property taxes on small houses in New York run $3500 and the same house down South will be $600.

 

[farmerboybill]

Hey Steve,

You make several good points, but there a few that are iffy.

You're right that 4wd won't overcome a 30 hp spread from 20 to 50 hp, BUT it will absolutely overcome a spread of 15 hp. Had oldtimer said his 20 horse will beat a 35 hp 2wd, he'd be right. You're also wrong about 4wd being less important on bigger tractors. Most new machines these days have 4wd. You would have a hard time finding a tractor manufactured in the past 15 years w/o 4wd. It isn't because a fellow is willing to pay 15K more for an ineffective option. Price out a new tractor today and the 4wd is a "Delete", not an "add" option.

I also disagree with your assessment of skid steers. Perhaps you owned a gas-powered OMC from the late 70's. I can do just about anything with a skid steer that you can do with a loader tractor and do it better. In fact, I can do more with a skid steer than you can do with a loader.

Yes, you can buy parts for a Farmall M ... at a CASE NEW HOLLAND DEALER! Would you take that M into the dealer for service? Ms are at least 57 years old and so simple that you fix just about anything on them with a locking pliers, and adjustable wrench, and baling wire. My point wasn't leveled only at IH (got one with a TA that is out or going out?), but towards any model tractor that no longer has support. Deere is abandoning some of the less popular and older models as well. Their support of the Yanmar Deere's is slipping. I couldn't get loader brackets to mount an 80 loader to a 1050. (anyone looking for an 80 loader to mount to an 870, 970, 1070?)

I grew up on Deere and am indeed colorblind to them. We have a 1050, 2040, 3010, 3020, 4010, 2 - 4020s, 2-4430s, 4640, and 4840. We also have a 1086 sitting in the back of the shed with a blown engine and a bad TA and a Farmall M that sat in the shed for 20 years with a locked engine. Just got that one running again last year.

Maybe my point would better be rephrased as "Be careful about ANY model tractor you buy. Find out if they're supported by a local, knowledgeable dealer".

 

[Hedgerow]

Hey Steve,

You make several good points, but there a few that are iffy.

You're right that 4wd won't overcome a 30 hp spread from 20 to 50 hp, BUT it will absolutely overcome a spread of 15 hp. Had oldtimer said his 20 horse will beat a 35 hp 2wd, he'd be right. You're also wrong about 4wd being less important on bigger tractors. Most new machines these days have 4wd. You would have a hard time finding a tractor manufactured in the past 15 years w/o 4wd. It isn't because a fellow is willing to pay 15K more for an ineffective option. Price out a new tractor today and the 4wd is a "Delete", not an "add" option.

I also disagree with your assessment of skid steers. Perhaps you owned a gas-powered OMC from the late 70's. I can do just about anything with a skid steer that you can do with a loader tractor and do it better. In fact, I can do more with a skid steer than you can do with a loader.

Yes, you can buy parts for a Farmall M ... at a CASE NEW HOLLAND DEALER! Would you take that M into the dealer for service? Ms are at least 57 years old and so simple that you fix just about anything on them with a locking pliers, and adjustable wrench, and baling wire. My point wasn't leveled only at IH (got one with a TA that is out or going out?), but towards any model tractor that no longer has support. Deere is abandoning some of the less popular and older models as well. Their support of the Yanmar Deere's is slipping. I couldn't get loader brackets to mount an 80 loader to a 1050. (anyone looking for an 80 loader to mount to an 870, 970, 1070?)

I grew up on Deere and am indeed colorblind to them. We have a 1050, 2040, 3010, 3020, 4010, 2 - 4020s, 2-4430s, 4640, and 4840. We also have a 1086 sitting in the back of the shed with a blown engine and a bad TA and a Farmall M that sat in the shed for 20 years with a locked engine. Just got that one running again last year.

Maybe my point would better be rephrased as "Be careful about ANY model tractor you buy. Find out if they're supported by a local, knowledgeable dealer".

I too, bled green for years... Still love em', among others... Not to be a smartass, but how many engines has that 4840 been through?:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Steve NW WI]

Hey Steve,

You make several good points, but there a few that are iffy.

You're right that 4wd won't overcome a 30 hp spread from 20 to 50 hp, BUT it will absolutely overcome a spread of 15 hp. Had oldtimer said his 20 horse will beat a 35 hp 2wd, he'd be right. You're also wrong about 4wd being less important on bigger tractors. Most new machines these days have 4wd. You would have a hard time finding a tractor manufactured in the past 15 years w/o 4wd. It isn't because a fellow is willing to pay 15K more for an ineffective option. Price out a new tractor today and the 4wd is a "Delete", not an "add" option.

True as well, but I was referring more to the size of machines the OP had interest in, not 150+HP MFWD is high on my "want" list for my next tractor, but it's not a "need". I've spent many hours in a 4650 2wd running next to a 4955MFWD, and on dry ground there's no difference.

I also disagree with your assessment of skid steers. Perhaps you owned a gas-powered OMC from the late 70's. I can do just about anything with a skid steer that you can do with a loader tractor and do it better. In fact, I can do more with a skid steer than you can do with a loader.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION ONLY! Skids are great digging and lifting machines. I'd like one some day. They are not worth a dang at pulling wagons, plows, haybines, balers, or whatnot. They can't run PTO equipment without a spendy hydraulic PTO attachment. Visibility sucks going backward, and forward speed is slow. They won't replace any tractor that's not a dedicated loader use only tractor. Not going any farther down this road again.

Yes, you can buy parts for a Farmall M ... at a CASE NEW HOLLAND DEALER! Would you take that M into the dealer for service? Ms are at least 57 years old and so simple that you fix just about anything on them with a locking pliers, and adjustable wrench, and baling wire. My point wasn't leveled only at IH (got one with a TA that is out or going out?), but towards any model tractor that no longer has support. Deere is abandoning some of the less popular and older models as well. Their support of the Yanmar Deere's is slipping. I couldn't get loader brackets to mount an 80 loader to a 1050. (anyone looking for an 80 loader to mount to an 870, 970, 1070?)

Point taken, but parts and service are available. That's what I'm saying. I've got 2 Masseys here. I can get some stuff for them ordered through the local Deere dealer, or drive 35 miles to the AGCO dealer, and they've often got what I need. If not, they will direct ship it to the house.

I grew up on Deere and am indeed colorblind to them. We have a 1050, 2040, 3010, 3020, 4010, 2 - 4020s, 2-4430s, 4640, and 4840. We also have a 1086 sitting in the back of the shed with a blown engine and a bad TA and a Farmall M that sat in the shed for 20 years with a locked engine. Just got that one running again last year.

I've spent a lot of time on the JDs - from a 70 up to an 8970. They're nice enough machines - except for that godforsaken hand clutch on the 2 poppers, but the price premium isn't worth it in my opinion.

Maybe my point would better be rephrased as "Be careful about ANY model tractor you buy. Find out if they're supported by a local, knowledgeable dealer".

THAT sums it up perfectly! Rep headed your way. Sometimes arguing can be 2 guys with different opinions trying to say basically the same thing from different directions.

 

[farmerboybill]

Hey Steve,

I'm glad we can mostly agree. Much better than going down the "You're stupid" "No you're stupid" route. What town are you in? My mom live in Rice Lake and the instructer I had at SWTC is from Chippwea Falls. Got a chance to tour the Leinies brewery recently. Tore up that they dropped Dopplebock. The 1888 isn't bad, though. Red ot Honey Weiss is about all I can reliably get at a bar or restaurant.

Hedgerow,

As far as I know, it has the original engine with 7000 hours. We bought it at 6000. Never heard of any problems related to the 466. Same engine in the 4640 and same as a 4440 and 4240 without intercooler. Maybe you're thinking about the 531 in the 6030 that preceded it? I know a lot of guys have 4840s turned up to idiotic levels. maybe they blow 'em when they get to 250 HP...

 

[TJ-Bill]

Well I did it... I found one, went and looked at it twice and pulled the trigger.

It was a little over my budget and didn't come with a loader but I think it'll be dependable and a good work horse.














Here she is.. it's a beauty

 

[s13rymos]

opcorn:

 

[Hedgerow]

Well I did it... I found one, went and looked at it twice and pulled the trigger.

It was a little over my budget and didn't come with a loader but I think it'll be dependable and a good work horse.













Here she is.. it's a beauty

I see you got the "never flat" tire option...:msp_thumbup: Nice one!

 

[Rigwelder]

I too, bled green for years... Still love em', among others... Not to be a smartass, but how many engines has that 4840 been through?:hmm3grin2orange:

So i also have a 4840 and i must be lucky as heck. Mine as 9100 hours and still going strong!!! It has never pulled a plow though. Always a grain cart tractor and bale mover. sometimes pull the harrow if we get behind. I love mine. use it for everything!



anyway back to the tread. sounds to me like buying a tractor up there is alot more exspensive than it is in my neck of the woods. I know thee are lots that bleed green in here. not saying that it is wrong but when you get to this size of tractor the field is pretty even. i have owned or operated almost every kind of tractor there is and you have to get pretty picky to tell. The only ones i dont like are the new imports they are cheap for a reason!! they are crap!!!!! now if we are talking big tractors or other large ag. equipment combines and such green is the only way to go.

the 4wd option is unnecessary moving parts to have to fix in my mind. Learn how to operate a tractor and you can do anything with a 2wd tractor. notice i said operate. not drive. Anybody can drive a tractor in minutes. It takes a while to operate one! if you get my drift.

 

[farmerboybill]

Hey Bill,

Glad to see you found a nice little unit. Let me know how it goes finding a cable lift loader for it! :msp_tongue:

 

[TJ-Bill]

I haven't seen to many Used Deere around here. There's one across the street from me and the Kubota dealer. it's a 2002 4110 completely bare and they still want $10900 for it.

 

[Hedgerow]

So i also have a 4840 and i must be lucky as heck. Mine as 9100 hours and still going strong!!! It has never pulled a plow though. Always a grain cart tractor and bale mover. sometimes pull the harrow if we get behind. I love mine. use it for everything!

We used ours for chisel plowing and chopping corn silage... Loved the tractor, but was on crank # 3 when we got rid of it. The 466 ci deere was known for being bullet proof, but not on that one. The 4440 on the other hand, has 9700 hours on it and still runs strong... Same motor block...


anyway back to the tread. sounds to me like buying a tractor up there is alot more exspensive than it is in my neck of the woods. I know thee are lots that bleed green in here. not saying that it is wrong but when you get to this size of tractor the field is pretty even. i have owned or operated almost every kind of tractor there is and you have to get pretty picky to tell. The only ones i dont like are the new imports they are cheap for a reason!! they are crap!!!!! now if we are talking big tractors or other large ag. equipment combines and such green is the only way to go.

the 4wd option is unnecessary moving parts to have to fix in my mind. Learn how to operate a tractor and you can do anything with a 2wd tractor. notice i said operate. not drive. Anybody can drive a tractor in minutes. It takes a while to operate one! if you get my drift.

In 2008 I resigned myself to buying a NEW loader tractor. I did my homework, and spent evenings going over literature and spec sheets. I visited every dealer in a 50 mile radius, and I found out there were no american made utility tractors in the 65 horse range made in the US... I wonder if that has changed? At the time I had to pick between India, Japan, Turkey, GB, Italy, and South Korea... Sad Huh?

 

[TJ-Bill]

Found this one today.. seems cheap.

B275 INTERNATIONAL TRACTOR - New Brunswick Farming Equipment For Sale - Kijiji New Brunswick Canada.

 

[Hedgerow]

Found this one today.. seems cheap.

B275 INTERNATIONAL TRACTOR - New Brunswick Farming Equipment For Sale - Kijiji New Brunswick Canada.

Hey, that is pretty cheap... Can your local guy get parts for it? Comes with the snowblower?

 

[Oldtimer]

Just to clarify, I said I'd rather have a 20 HP 4x4 personally over a 50 HP 2x4. The 50 will have way more PTO power, but on hills and for steering in slick spots 4x4 wins.

 

[TJ-Bill]

Hey, that is pretty cheap... Can your local guy get parts for it? Comes with the snowblower?

yeah comes with the blower.. I see that there's no piston for the front of the bucket but that's no biggie. I think the close dealer is 1 hr away. My neighbor is the King of internet shopping, So as long as I get a decent name I'm not to worried about parts.

 

[TreePointer]

Just to clarify, I said I'd rather have a 20 HP 4x4 personally over a 50 HP 2x4. The 50 will have way more PTO power, but on hills and for steering in slick spots 4x4 wins.

Those flatlanders can have their 2x4's!

My w.PA hills call for 4x4 traction. 2x4 is a pain in the arse around here.