Vegetable oils for bar lube? Is there really a need for bar specific oil?

[bvaught]

Veggie oil does not contain the anti-wear additives that bar oil contains. Such as Molybdenum, Zinc, and Phosporus. These additives are your greatest defence against metal to metal contact and help prevent scuffing.

 

[2Coilinveins]

Typo?

Veggie oil does not contain the anti-wear additives that bar oil contains. Such as Molybdenum, Zinc, and Phosporus. These additives are your greatest defence against metal to metal contact and help prevent scuffing.

Bvaught, did you mean "two stroke oil" or maybe even "motor oil" and not "bar oil" in the above statement?

 

[bwalker]

Bar oil does not contain any zinc, phosphorus or moly. Its basicly a straight 30wt with a polymer based tac additive.

 

[spacemule]

Ben, the quality of your posts has improved dramatically lately. You're not nearly as sarcastic, and you're supporting your views.

 

[bvaught]

I stand by my post that bar oil (stihl brand in this case, probably others too) contains anti wear additives such as moly, phosporus, and zinc.

 

[jimbo1490]

Bar oil does not contain any zinc, phosphorus or moly. Its basicly a straight 30wt with a polymer based tac additive.

This is the fourth time Ben has pointed out this fact in this thread, yet the contrary keeps popping up. Please read the past posts in the thread, people!

Ben, castor is kind of a special case when it comes to bio oils . It has some unique properties like 'platelet lubrication' that no other oils, including petro and synth duplicate. That is why it persists as a two stroke lube for some apps.

There aint no free lunch as castor is highly toxic, poisonous really. It is also famous for leaving carbon deposits in gasoline powered two strokes.

Whatever happened to jojoba? Remember back in the seventies whan that was going to be the next great thing?

Jimbo

 

[klickitatsacket]

here is the link for the MSDS on Stihl bar oilhttp://www.stihllibrary.com/pdf/msds/MSDS%20STIHL%20Bar%20&%20Chain%20Lube.pdf

 

[jimbo1490]

Well golly, no zinc, phosphorus or molybdenum! Who'da thunk it! But seriously, those additives are most useful in extending the useful life of an oil. They continue lubricating even after some of the lipid molecules have begun to de-polymerize into shorter chains. Since the working life of bar oil is maybe a few seconds at most why bother? Add to that the toxicity and probability of exposure and potential liability therefrom...

Jimbo

 

[jimbo1490]

I remember now. Castor beans are where they derive the poison ricin.

Jimbo

 

[jimbo1490]

Looked around at various MSD sheets for B&C oil, same story; NO hazardous chemicals. I picked up on something looking at these sheets: all mentioned OSHA certification as carcinogen-free. Apparently B&C oil comes under the purview of OSHA, so you're definitely not going to see any toxic additives.

Jimbo

 

[bwalker]

ZDDP is the source of the zinc and phosphourus found in motor oils. Its a multi purpose additive in that it provides anti wear, anti oxident and a few other functions. Moly is a antiwear additive that also doubles as a friction modifier.
Neither of these too would be of use in a bar and chain lube and to the contary are quit toxic.

 

[tricky coyote]

Free, re-used vegetable oil for bar oil

As you may know, you can power any diesel engine on vegetable oil. Google "straight vegetable oil" or see a site like www.greasecar.com.

We power our diesels on re-used vegetable oil that we collect for free from the back of restaurants and then let settle and/or run through a filter.

I imagine that this oil could also be used as bar oil.

Not completely sure of the relevance, but in engine wear tests, vegetable oil has been demonstated to have better lubricity than diesel. May be apples to oranges.

Japanese restaurants are best. Avoid places that cook lots of meat as lard is not generally liquid at operating temp, and it stinks.

 

[Railomatic]

Vegi oil

I have tried various vegi oils for my saws and found some of them to be troublesome, as they tend to set rock solid after a while, they work fine when they are straight out of the bottle, but if left for several days, they start to gum everything up, and a nightmare to clean up afterwards.
I have found that Dolmar chain oil is one of the best.

Davy, new member from the UK.

 

[rustyb]

Hey Davy,

Just curious which vegi oils you have had problems with? One of my four saws that I use canola oil in has been used less than an hour since this spring. No problem at all. The oil is just as it left the container this spring.

r

 

[treesurgeon]

i will start using canola oil in my ms200t. i will run it from now on. and if it works out then so be it. i will expand to other saws.
theres no reason to listen to all of you and draw conclusions on what anyone should do. it seems better for the people that are interested to try it them selves and see if they are happy with it. i will post in the following months about how the saw is doing. I'm sure we will hear much more from others till then.

 

[SRT-Tech]

There aint no free lunch as castor is highly toxic, poisonous really. It is also famous for leaving carbon deposits in gasoline powered two strokes.Jimbo

and yet doctors administer it in HIGH doses for some patients.........



back on topic to veggie oil, seeing as how a 5 gallon pail of the stuff is pretty pricy (prices have shot up recently) ($80 cdn Costco), and around $60 - 90 elsewhere here in Vancouver BC, i'm switching back to reg bar oil. for the price of three 5 gallon pails of veggie oil, i can get a whopping 55 gallon drum of bar oil.


sorry, but i'm not rich. bar oil it is.

 

[Sprig]

and yet doctors administer it in HIGH doses for some patients.........



back on topic to veggie oil, seeing as how a 5 gallon pail of the stuff is pretty pricy (prices have shot up recently) ($80 cdn Costco), and around $60 - 90 elsewhere here in Vancouver BC, i'm switching back to reg bar oil. for the price of three 5 gallon pails of veggie oil, i can get a whopping 55 gallon drum of bar oil.


sorry, but i'm not rich. bar oil it is.

Gah, a step backwards in time imo> please refer back to the veggi oil thread. I suggest you shop around for the veggi oils, considering we pay around a buck a litre for the stuff on sale I think you're shopping the wrong places. Cheap bar oil here, over 2.00 a ltre, veggi stuff, 1.00-1.37 per, find da sales mate. Someone on the veg oil poll forum mentioned using old fryer oils, I see nothing to sway one away from that other than a wee bit of work.
My 0.02$ worth fer da day.
GO LIONS GO!!!!!!!!! 6-0 Vancouver YAY!!!!!!! :beer:

GO LIONS GO!!!!! :rockn: :rockn: :rockn:

 

[SRT-Tech]

yea!!! GO LIONS GO~!!!!!! helluva game eh!!!!!!

 

[Tzed250]

Beans, seeds, etc.

I have used castor oil and castor fortified oil in my bikes and saws for some time now. I like the way it lubricates and especially the way it smells in the exhaust. It may not be the absolute best, but it does well for me. As far as deposits go, my top ends have always been serviced enough that that is not an issue.

I will be switching to canola for bar/chain lube. I have never liked the accumulated bar oil on my saws/clothes/gear, and if it is vegi based I will find it much more acceptable.

A couple of questions:

1.) Has anyone seen any oil pump problems arise from its use?

2.) What is the price of the Stihl Bioplus oil in the USA vs. Europe?

 

[Sprig]

I have used castor oil and castor fortified oil in my bikes and saws for some time now. I like the way it lubricates and especially the way it smells in the exhaust. It may not be the absolute best, but it does well for me. As far as deposits go, my top ends have always been serviced enough that that is not an issue.

I will be switching to canola for bar/chain lube. I have never liked the accumulated bar oil on my saws/clothes/gear, and if it is vegi based I will find it much more acceptable.

A couple of questions:

1.) Has anyone seen any oil pump problems arise from its use?

2.) What is the price of the Stihl Bioplus oil in the USA vs. Europe?

No.

Too much imho.