Sugi-Hara vs Tsumura?

[redbull660]

I'll be doing a comparison between them. I have them all, in 20, 24, 28, 32, and 36. Tsumura, sugihara, stihl & stihl light, cannon. Sitting on about 30 bars right now.

I need help I know.


fyi - HEV Inc. has the 36" sugi in stock. But I'm guessing they have had them for a while. As it sounds like Sugi isn't doing them anymore? I bought the 20 24 28 32 from Randy and the 36 from HEV. 20 24 28 are 050 and 32 36 are 063.

 

[SawTroll]

what........sugi stops at 32 and total at 28???????? well that sucs, i guess thats why i don't see um any more. i guess not many of us fall big timber and don't do the GOL crap..........

I have seen pics of Tsumura Light & Tough in 32" and 36".....

 

[watsonr]

I'll be doing a comparison between them. I have them all, in 20, 24, 28, 32, and 36. Tsumura, sugihara, stihl & stihl light, cannon. Sitting on about 30 bars right now.

I need help I know.

Yes you do... now get on with the test.

 

[Vibes]

Reason?

I need a Longer bar than the 28 I have now, and less weight to lug while cutting firewood all day is a plus, particularly at that bar length.

also locally the standard Stihl bars have jumped to damned near as much as Sugi/Tesu's.

I'm not saying this to be a douche or anything like that, but if you are out in the woods draggin around 32 to 36 inch round pieces of firewood, I wouldn't be sweating which bar is a pound or 2 less than the other. I mean seriously, buy the bar that's available at a good price and go tackle that 250 pound chunk of firewood. After a few hours of that, your back and hands aren't gonna know the difference between Sugi or Tsunarma. Or if its a 32 inch or a 36 inch.

 

[watsonr]

Good red fir is still easy to get in that size?

 

[treeslayer2003]

I'm not saying this to be a douche or anything like that, but if you are out in the woods draggin around 32 to 36 inch round pieces of firewood, I wouldn't be sweating which bar is a pound or 2 less than the other. I mean seriously, buy the bar that's available at a good price and go tackle that 250 pound chunk of firewood. After a few hours of that, your back and hands aren't gonna know the difference between Sugi or Tsunarma. Or if its a 32 inch or a 36 inch.

lol, sell them for logs and cut up the top for wood.

 

[regulate34]

I am running a 20" .063. Tsumura light&tough. On my ms460. Very light. When I put the 25" ES back on it feels like a anchor.

I know I know I'm just weak.

 

[DarthTater]

lol, sell them for logs and cut up the top for wood.

I'm not saying this to be a douche or anything like that, but if you are out in the woods draggin around 32 to 36 inch round pieces of firewood, I wouldn't be sweating which bar is a pound or 2 less than the other. I mean seriously, buy the bar that's available at a good price and go tackle that 250 pound chunk of firewood. After a few hours of that, your back and hands aren't gonna know the difference between Sugi or Tsunarma. Or if its a 32 inch or a 36 inch.

I usually cut the rounds into smaller chunks before lugging em to the truck usually, either that or I drag them onto the truck/trailer with a come-along. and at the end of a long day of that one thing being a tad bit lighter can make the day a lot less exhausting.

Good red fir is still easy to get in that size?

Is Where I cut it (Boise County), usually something that blew down, occasionally find stuff that the fires kill off but didn't burn, and not always fir, often also get pine & Cedar (both Red and White) occasionally larch but i don't often find larch, they tend to be more resistant to the beetles and dry summers.
Often find old growth trees up to 8' Diameter in the areas I go to, have even found healthy hardwood trees in areas you wouldn't think they would do well.

lol, sell them for logs and cut up the top for wood.

They are on National Forrest Land & the Permits are kind-of restrictive here, have to be dead/blown down trees only, cant remove anything longer than 6' long etc, etc.....
to even sell firewood you cut you are required to have a logging permit which (thanks to the California Eco-Freaks that moved up here and almost completely decimated the Idaho logging industry) gets into a whole mess I am not even about to go near...

 

[Vibes]

I rarely break out the long bars anymore, or for that matter the big saws. The tree in my sig was a payed job that I charged far to little to do. LOL That's my Oly 999 with a Total 30 inch solid tip in the picture. I haven't ran that saw with that bar since that pic was taken 4 years ago.

I sold my 32'' cause it was sitting so long and I needed money. I have a 28 for my 7900 but its like new. If I can't cut firewood with a 20 incher I usually let it lay. I have to save my back and hands for work. I see a pension on the horizon and I plan on collecting on it.

 

[SawTroll]

I don't think that many need the really long bars, and the "Light" ones may not be sturdy enough anyway?

 

[mdavlee]

I don't think that many need the really long bars, and the "Light" ones may not be sturdy enough anyway?

The tsumura are just as tough. I'm not gentle on bars and you can pop the wedge out on a face cut with the tsumura or stihl light. The oregons are a bit flimsy in that part. I don't like bending and a 28" lightweight keeps me upright and I can cut with less fatigue than with the 550xp and 16".

 

[SawTroll]

Using long bars to avoid bending is something I will never do, even with a serious back issue and other sceleton related issues.

 

[Vibes]

I don't like bending either. But I have long arms so my 346 with a 20'' bar is an ideal set-up for most of my firewood cutting. I did nip the dirt with the tip on the stock Husky (Oregon) bar and the tip lost. That's the first time that has ever happened to me so I'll be shopping for the sprocket and rivet. I also have Total 18 and 16'' bars for the same saw. The 18 came with a beat to death Oly 950 Ebay basket case saw. The bar was like new. The 16 was actually shipped in a Jonsered sleeve but was new old stock. All are running .325 .058 chain. I had to hog out the slot a little to get it to fit the Husky because the slot was to short. I will be looking for a 20 inch Total bar for the 346 if the right deal comes along. My vote goes to the Tsunarma bars all the way.

 

[DarthTater]

Using long bars to avoid bending is something I will never do.

only interest I have in a longer bar is cutting wood to big for cutting both sides of with a 28".

 

[treesmith]

In Oz the trees grow fast and dense, even the smaller trees are fat

 

[quotejso2]

Um, if you hadn't noticed, "watsonr" IS Weedeaterman, & i'm looking at the Lightweight Bars, which I'd have to get the Tsumura from Canada because they "total"
oddly don't import them in the US...

No way really

 

[redbull660]

If you get the Tsumura Light from Dave "thechainsawguy" or sugi hara from weedeaterman eitherway it comes right to your door. About easy as it gets. ie. I don't see what the big deal is about either one.

weights -

20" sugi hara 2 lbs 2.5 oz
20" Tsumura 2 lbs 3.0 oz
refernece regular stihl 20" = 2 lbs 13.5 oz

24" sugihara 2 lbs 13.0 oz
24" tsumura 2 lbs 10.5 oz
reference 24/25" stihl - 3 lbs 10.5 oz

28" sugi hara 3 lbs 4.0 oz
28" tsumura 3 lbs 2.5 oz
28" stihl light 2 lbs 13.5 oz so 5oz less than tsumura and 6.5 than sugi.
reference regular 28" stihl - 3 lbs 14.0 oz

32" sugi hara 4 lbs 2.5 oz
32" tsumura 3 lbs 10.o oz
32" stihl light 3 lbs 5.0 oz
reference regular 32" stihl = 4 lbs 10.5 oz

36" tsumura 3 lbs 15.5 oz
36" stihl light 3 lbs 10.5 oz
reference regular 36" stihl 5 lbs 2.0 oz.

 

[DarthTater]

No way really

FYI Wasn't trying to be a smartass or anything, just wasn't sure if you knew/ had noticed his posts.

 

[DarthTater]

If you get the Tsumura Light from Dave "thechainsawguy" or sugi hara from weedeaterman eitherway it comes right to your door. About easy as it gets. ie. I don't see what the big deal is about either one.

weights -

20" sugi hara 2 lbs 2.5 oz
20" Tsumura 2 lbs 3.0 oz
refernece regular stihl 20" = 2 lbs 13.5 oz

24" sugihara 2 lbs 13.0 oz
24" tsumura 2 lbs 10.5 oz
reference 24/25" stihl - 3 lbs 10.5 oz

28" sugi hara 3 lbs 4.0 oz
28" tsumura 3 lbs 2.5 oz
28" stihl light 2 lbs 13.5 oz so 5oz less than tsumura and 6.5 than sugi.
reference regular 28" stihl - 3 lbs 14.0 oz

32" sugi hara 4 lbs 2.5 oz
32" tsumura 3 lbs 10.o oz
32" stihl light 3 lbs 5.0 oz
reference regular 32" stihl = 4 lbs 10.5 oz

36" tsumura 3 lbs 15.5 oz
36" stihl light 3 lbs 10.5 oz
reference regular 36" stihl 5 lbs 2.0 oz.

Cool! Thanks for the Info!

 

[watsonr]

The 16" and 18" Sugi are crazy light, same amount of cut outs as the bigger bars. The 32" surprises me, 8.5 oz difference and in 28" and 32", winner looks to be the Stihl light. Wonder how they are holding up for wear.