Longshoreman strike in CA, overseas orders are stuck in transit!

[watsonr]

Just an info post.....

A lot of parts/material comes from over seas and because of the union strike by Long Shoreman, stuck in the various ports... like Sugi Hara bars. The strike has been ongoing now for several months (what I'm hearing) and the real reason for some delays in product delivery.

Randy

 

[hanniedog]

Its not a strike just a work slow down. This way they get paid for doing even less.

 

[watsonr]

either way, it's hurting businesses.

 

[treeslayer2003]

stupid.......they did that here 30 years ago. all the business that used the port left. now its used for a park while our local economy flounders.
bumble bee, chung king, cold water seafood, all left. keep striking dummys, you'll be in the unemployment line.

 

[watsonr]

My Sugi Hara order has been confirmed sitting in the port for 4 months now... at some point it's a wash!

 

[Flattop Burns]

Here's an idea. Just send all that imported stuff back and we will make our own. Send the longshoremen with it. Happy sailing.

 

[triptester]

Since when is a company lockout a strike.

 

[gulity1]

Support them

 

[watsonr]

Just an info post.....

A lot of parts/material comes from over seas and because of the union strike by Long Shoreman, stuck in the various ports... like Sugi Hara bars. The strike has been ongoing now for several months (what I'm hearing) and the real reason for some delays in product delivery.

Randy

I posted saying that was the info I heard, it may not be exactly correct but is correct that my stuff is stuck in that port.

 

[windthrown]

Its not a lockout, and its not a strike. Its a 'go slow' order, a typical union ploy when negotiating contracts. Been there, seen that. We had to put up with all this union crap after we engineers at GD in San Diego voted the stupid unions OUT. Every time the union contracts were being negotiated, the union employees all worked at a snail's pace. I also worked briefly on the docks in Alameda. Theft there was rampant, drugs were rampant, idiots were rampant. Logging is a lot harder, as is commercial fishing. I have also been in a few unions. My opinion is that they are corrupt and allow a lot of useless employees that have been there longer to avoid getting fired, regardless of how little they do and worthless they are.

As for this latest ploy by the longshoremen, one large company is pulling out of the Port of Portland and more are considering doing the same. The unions are just shooting themselves in the foot. Poor babies only make between $87k and $150k a year with full benefits. Boo forking hoo.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...emen-dockworkers-editorials-debates/23708675/

 

[Ironworker]

Its not a lockout, and its not a strike. Its a 'go slow' order, a typical union ploy when negotiating contracts. Been there, seen that. We had to put up with all this union crap after we engineers at GD in San Diego voted the stupid unions OUT. Every time the union contracts were being negotiated, the union employees all worked at a snail's pace. I also worked briefly on the docks in Alameda. Theft there was rampant, drugs were rampant, idiots were rampant. Logging is a lot harder, as is commercial fishing. I have also been in a few unions. My opinion is that they are corrupt and allow a lot of useless employees that have been there longer to avoid getting fired, regardless of how little they do and worthless they are.

As for this latest ploy by the longshoremen, one large company is pulling out of the Port of Portland and more are considering doing the same. The unions are just shooting themselves in the foot. Poor babies only make between $87k and $150k a year with full benefits. Boo forking hoo.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...emen-dockworkers-editorials-debates/23708675/

Unions in this country are dying and so is the middle class do you notice the correlation here. The rich keep getting richer. You have no idea what you are saying, you're just another guy that hates unions because you don't belong to one. I have never seen any one slow down because of negotiations. Every time we go to negotiate a contract we give something up or take less money so we can stay competitive until the last time and we went on strike or a lockout, what ever you want to call it.

 

[treeslayer2003]

Its not a lockout, and its not a strike. Its a 'go slow' order, a typical union ploy when negotiating contracts. Been there, seen that. We had to put up with all this union crap after we engineers at GD in San Diego voted the stupid unions OUT. Every time the union contracts were being negotiated, the union employees all worked at a snail's pace. I also worked briefly on the docks in Alameda. Theft there was rampant, drugs were rampant, idiots were rampant. Logging is a lot harder, as is commercial fishing. I have also been in a few unions. My opinion is that they are corrupt and allow a lot of useless employees that have been there longer to avoid getting fired, regardless of how little they do and worthless they are.

As for this latest ploy by the longshoremen, one large company is pulling out of the Port of Portland and more are considering doing the same. The unions are just shooting themselves in the foot. Poor babies only make between $87k and $150k a year with full benefits. Boo forking hoo.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...emen-dockworkers-editorials-debates/23708675/

look out SD....its begining.

the idea of a union had its place. however what its doing to the economy is silly. lets get some common sense here.
wanna know the really stupid part about what happened here? it wasn't the local workers idea to strike, it came from baltimore. the workers here were very happy with what they made but had to do what the others told them......why i still don't understand.
that port created millions of dollars here and thousands of jobs, not just for the longshoreman but also alot of other folks......we hauled alot of what came in to the factorys and packers. not to mention all the employees of those places........then theres all the support for the trucks and equipment that handles every thing. its a chain reaction. those companys will simply relocate instead of bending to the will of these unions. remember, theres no union in other countrys, do we really want to push more industry away?

 

[triptester]

A work slowdown at the ports is when the workers refuse to work 60-80 hours a week.

 

[windthrown]

Unions in this country are dying and so is the middle class do you notice the correlation here. The rich keep getting richer. You have no idea what you are saying, you're just another guy that hates unions because you don't belong to one. I have never seen any one slow down because of negotiations. Every time we go to negotiate a contract we give something up or take less money so we can stay competitive until the last time and we went on strike or a lockout, what ever you want to call it.

Blah blah blah... what a bunch of BS. Typical union crap. You have obviously never worked in a union shop. Every union shop I have worked in (I have worked in many, including Matson, INC in Alameda, CA) had a go slow policy during contract negotiations, just like the one that the Longshoremen are doing now. If you want the reason that the US is failing, its because unions have priced the US out of the global markets, and companies are going off-shore for cheaper labor. That's where my last job went, bucko, right to China.

 

[gulity1]

I work in Detroit suburbs for the largest Non Union car hauler in the country. I work for an Ok company, the company I work for is dime smart and dollar dumb, let me explain. Car haulers use hydraulics to move around the ramps on the trucks to load and unload, 8 years ago we decided to go with electric 24 volt PTO's With 6 battery's we are playing with about 5-6K amps at 24 volts We burn up on average in a year: 24 batterys, 2 alternators 3-5, 2 PTO motors, 30 ft of 4/0 wire. We have around about 1100 trucks in our fleet all of them less then 8 y/o. This is on average around 6000-8000 dollars a year on each truck I think this a low number but its ok Where if I install a wet pto for a cost of 3000 +/- which runs while the truck is idling, and burn about 2 gallons of diesel per load and unload ( the trucks idle even with electric system cant keep up with out running) this week alone we spent 50k on road calls for no starts, get where this is going... management still doesn't want to listen to the mechanics when they ask for suggestions and we tell them to eliminate the electric PTO system.

Aside from the above statement Michigan is crumbling, middle class is gone I remember when I was a kid all my friends dads where either steel workers, or worked in assembly plants and made $40-50K a year and did very well. I can remember thinking when I was 18 and took a job in a factory if made 40K Id be set that was in 1998 only made $18500 or so. But I was on my own even before I graduated high school. last year I just broke 50K myself and with my wife working its still damn tough! We don't drive new cars or even close My truck is 04 2500 GM Her car is 99 Ford escort, Don't laugh the car has 250000 miles on it and runs like a top. I don't live in a new home or even close my house was built in 1945 just like all the other homes in my city and surrounding city's they were built for the GI's coming home. We my wife and I have worked our ass off keeping our home when the economy went south in 07-08 worked 35 hrs a week for 6 months but we made it, I made it a point to not claim bankruptcy and take the easy way out. Like most everyone else did, Hay dumbass you spent it time to pay the fiddler whore!

Those that say Unions suck and they are for the lazy Don't under stand what they are saying or have never worked a day in there life. The union pay scale idea/mentality is the reason for the middle class. Henry Ford created the middle class $5 a day was good money when he instutided it. Every job around here in the Rust belt area { Michigan ,Ohio, Indiana, }is driven by union wages. From, my wage to Wallgreens to Mc Donalds to Gas station, Auto parts guys, every thing is linked to the unions like it or not. Think about it why do you make what you make? is because of your incrediable knowledge? doubt it, its because somewhere sometime someone sat down and said if the union is going to pay the diesel mechanic $35 an hour and I want a good to or OK mechanics to work on my stuff, guess Ill start out cheap at 20 hr and see what I get. Where did minimum wage come from? No its not what people think its for, its a starting point to say Joe Slipnshit is going to get at least $8.50 an hour to mop floors and talk **** behind a registar and build a set of skills. This is what my generation dosent get its a starting point that's it no more no less either. Its not to raise a family on. maybe support 1 person. Its 14500 a year in case your wondering after taxes.

Maybe Im slow fat and dumb? Instead of looking at the things in front of you try to look at the whole picture how its all linked together. I am probably wrong on all of this but its how I feel.

 

[gulity1]

Anybody remember NAFTA? If not start to realize this is a large part of everything coming from Mexico Brazil Poland China etc. And just for the record I do not belong to or have ever belonged to a union. As a matter of fact the 1 union vote I was involved in I voted no, it didn't make sense for the sitution I was in.

 

[treeslayer2003]

yes i do, nafta is crap. i have been a self employed logger all my life. i have never cleared 50,000 in a year so yes i know where you are coming from. i do see things a little differently though.....we as a nation need to encourage industry to stay here.
if we have no industry, we will have no jobs at any wage. this is more serious than most realize. i see it in log and lumber prices and in what we are importing and exporting.
as far as unions........well no, i have never been in one. i would say there is a need for employees to stick together but on a local level.

i get what ya said about the electric pto too, wet line does make more sense. some one more educated than u and i came up with that. my buddy used to do that car hauling. he lost his azz and his home trying to sub contract. it was bad to watch.

 

[triptester]

We have been told over and over again that it is the workers fault and that their wages is the reason all the work has gone over seas. Workers wages have gone down or been stagnant for years while executive compensation has skyrocketed. We are told we are in a recession yet the stock markets keep on setting new record levels. Many companies are sitting on record levels of cash. Since this recession started companies have had no problem buying out other companies for billions of dollars in cash.

 

[o8f150]

dang,,, no more stihls will be at the dealers since all the ships coming from china are slowed down

 

[windthrown]

You're a moron. Now GFYM.

Such sophistication, typical of NY. My opinion of unions... as exemplified by my avatar here.