Crazy way to apply Tordon

[Babaganoosh]

Get ready for some lawsuits after all your employees get sick.

 

[pdqdl]

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I think you are putting more of this stuff in the air than on the desired treatment area.

Well...that is why I am doing the experiment. You do realize that spraying the stuff in the air is the normal way of application don't you?

My purpose in trying this methoe is to target the treatment to the stumps, with a reduced application overall and to eliminate the chance of missing any stumps.

 

[pdqdl]

I don't get to use tordon due to local pesticide use bylaws, but I'm not sure if you are going to get sufficient stump coverage for it to be effective. Most of my saws, even with the oiler maxed out, don't use that much oil. If your material is thick, I just don't think you're going to move enough product.

Secondly, given the amount of stuff that is going to be flung around and that it has a moderate irritant to the eyes, are you going to need to have your saw operators suited up with full face shields?

Wouldn't it be almost as fast and more effective to give each saw operator a spray bottle of product. Cut a stump, spray a stump.

Yes, you are right. Cut a stump, spray a stump is the normal way of doing it. With respect to getting enough applied? I am usung 22k, not the Ready To Use product. It is much more concentrated. A little bit goes a long ways.

Quite frankly, I don't know if it will work. This is a section of small trees & brush between a rock cliff (above) and a parking lot. Flat ground, and there is no other vegetation nearby except the lawn. We have done most of the project without any treatment, and the last leg is our test strip. We will see what grows back, and then I will know whether it worked. The customer has no expectations either way, and I am not billing them for control.

Generally what happens is that a lot of stumps get missed, and a lot of stumps get wasted herbicide poured all over them. Cutting production goes way down, and I am not convinced that it is a very good idea to swap back and forth between chainsaws & sprayers. Too much of a distraction.

I really don't know how much will be flung around. My marker dye will tell all. I mixed one cup of oil this morning with about an ounce of marker dye. If any of you guys have used marker dye, you know how strong a mix that is. One ounce is more than enough to dye 2 1/2 gallons of hand sprayer mix, so each droplet off my chainsaw is going to leave a trail.

I put our oil-sucker on the bar oil reservoir of my 201T this morning, and filled it with marker dye. We will see how it turns out.

 

[pdqdl]

Damn, Cape. You are up early. Don't you know it's Saturday?

Ever do any tree spraying? You shoot it up, and it always comes back down onto the applicator. The only way to not get soaked is to spray when it is windy, clearly a bad idea. Raincoats and headgear are the only way to spray trees and not get soaked. Fortunately, I seldom spray a big tree for anything.

Hillsides and ravines for brush control? That is just another revenue stream for me. You just cannot count on not having a breeze to blow it back on you.

 

[BC WetCoast]

Yes, you are right. Cut a stump, spray a stump is the normal way of doing it. With respect to getting enough applied? I am usung 22k, not the Ready To Use product. It is much more concentrated. A little bit goes a long ways.

Quite frankly, I don't know if it will work. This is a section of small trees & brush between a rock cliff (above) and a parking lot. Flat ground, and there is no other vegetation nearby except the lawn. We have done most of the project without any treatment, and the last leg is our test strip. We will see what grows back, and then I will know whether it worked. The customer has no expectations either way, and I am not billing them for control.

Generally what happens is that a lot of stumps get missed, and a lot of stumps get wasted herbicide poured all over them. Cutting production goes way down, and I am not convinced that it is a very good idea to swap back and forth between chainsaws & sprayers. Too much of a distraction.

I really don't know how much will be flung around. My marker dye will tell all. I mixed one cup of oil this morning with about an ounce of marker dye. If any of you guys have used marker dye, you know how strong a mix that is. One ounce is more than enough to dye 2 1/2 gallons of hand sprayer mix, so each droplet off my chainsaw is going to leave a trail.

I put our oil-sucker on the bar oil reservoir of my 201T this morning, and filled it with marker dye. We will see how it turns out.

Most bar oil gets flung off the end of the tip. When you hold it horizontal, I don't think much ends up on the cut. I'm guessing what your test will show is that your operator will have to stand with the saw vertical with the tip near the stump to spray enough product onto the stump.

Not being familiar with that product, how much would you need around the cambium to get control? A soak around the cambium, a few drops?

 

[pdqdl]

Job is done, but our experiment with Tordon was a failure. It seems that my emulsion gelled up too thick and the chainsaw would not pump it onto the bar. It worked initially, but quit after about a tank of gas.

There were no signs of blue fog, and I would guess that each stump did not have enough Tordon to kill it.

I will work up a thinner of some sort, perhaps less soap is needed. I will keep at this a bit longer. I'm pretty sure this can be made to work, it is just a case of working out the viscosity and the application rate.

 

[pdqdl]

Most bar oil gets flung off the end of the tip. When you hold it horizontal, I don't think much ends up on the cut. I'm guessing what your test will show is that your operator will have to stand with the saw vertical with the tip near the stump to spray enough product onto the stump.

Not being familiar with that product, how much would you need around the cambium to get control? A soak around the cambium, a few drops?

When you treat with Tordon RTU, you should soak the cambium ring until it is blue. Tordon 22K is 3 times as concentrated, and does not contain 2,4-D. I would guess that the stump would have needed to be visibly blue for it to work well. Right now, we were just getting a blue haze.

 

[capetrees]

I'm with treesmith, maybe it's an Aussie thing but I reckon it might just be crazy enough to work, without people trying new and crazy things we would live in the world we do now

No, WE wouldn't live in the world we live in but the ones that take the chances are the ones that usually DON'T live in this world anymore. That's why we practice and experiment on lab animals.

 

[DR. P. Proteus]

Well...that is why I am doing the experiment. You do realize that spraying the stuff in the air is the normal way of application don't you?

My purpose in trying this methoe is to target the treatment to the stumps, with a reduced application overall and to eliminate the chance of missing any stumps.

You just spray it into the air? You don't aim it at the stump? Normal application creates a blue mist that can be carried by the wind to who knows where? You have got to be kidding me!

 

[Zale]

Like I said, dumb.

 

[capetrees]

Either this whole thread is a leg puller or you really don't get it. Don't know if your herbicide has the label but here it is. Read up and tell me that what you're doing is the correct way.

http://ws.greenbook.net/Docs/Label/L11608.pdf

Pay special attention to page 2, directions for use.

 

[DR. P. Proteus]

Did you ever notice that pretty much every chemical there is has a label on it that says it causes cancer in California? What is wrong with those Californians? They must be some kind of sissies.

At my house we have a well. There is also an old graphite mine just up the hill from our well. There is also an ROW out back and uphill from our well -head. We do not drink the water from that well. No sir.

There is no need to spray the part of the ROW that runs through our place but up on the hill where they can't get the mower I am sure they are spraying some crap.

 

[DR. P. Proteus]

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When you treat with Tordon RTU, you should soak the cambium ring until it is blue. Tordon 22K is 3 times as concentrated, and does not contain 2,4-D. I would guess that the stump would have needed to be visibly blue for it to work well. Right now, we were just getting a blue haze.

... And in this picture here we have the rare and endangered PDQ ruining his chainsaw , destroying vast acres of pristine forest and causing autism in children under 8 years old. Years ago there were thousands and thousands of PDQ's but their numbers have dwindled throughout time due to sub-conscious suicidal tendencies and a blatant disregard for sanity. There have been many attempts to try to save the endangered PDQ but all have failed. This is the last one.

 

[pdqdl]

You just spray it into the air? You don't aim it at the stump? Normal application creates a blue mist that can be carried by the wind to who knows where? You have got to be kidding me!

Tordon 22k is even made with aerial applications. So yes, spraying it into the air is commonly done.

Had you read the label I posted you would have known that.

 

[pdqdl]

Either this whole thread is a leg puller or you really don't get it. Don't know if your herbicide has the label but here it is. Read up and tell me that what you're doing is the correct way.

http://ws.greenbook.net/Docs/Label/L11608.pdf

Pay special attention to page 2, directions for use.

I'll do you one better; read the MSDS. You will find that it is pretty harmless to humans, at least as far as herbicides go. I don't recommend taking showers in it, nor using it as salad dressing. It is a damn sight safer than most of the chemicals you guys get exposed to constantly.

Had you read my original post carefully, you might have noticed that I linked the text "Tordon 22k" to it's CDMS published label. I have found absolutely nothing in the label that even suggests that my use as described is remotely prohibited. Perhaps you can quote a section?

Have you really been reading my comments? I know I tend to type a bit long, but didn't you notice the parts from the label that I quoted and indented, specially identifying it (I thought) as a reference to lend credibility to my usage?



Thanks for the link to Greenbook; I have not come across that website before. It looks like a good location to get labels. In general, I always have on file any chemical that I buy or consider buying. This is so that I can have the label with me when making an application, as required.

 

[pdqdl]

... And in this picture here we have the rare and endangered PDQ ruining his chainsaw , destroying vast acres of pristine forest and causing autism in children under 8 years old. Years ago there were thousands and thousands of PDQ's but their numbers have dwindled throughout time due to sub-conscious suicidal tendencies and a blatant disregard for sanity. There have been many attempts to try to save the endangered PDQ but all have failed. This is the last one.

There is no doubt, however, that I am the last and only one of my kind.

The chainsaw is fine, except that it got instantly dulled on rocks when I let one of my guys use it. I spent the whole afternoon filing chains so that we could keep working. The oiler kept working after we gave it some regular oil.

 

[pdqdl]

Like I said, dumb.

Like I said...why? You tell me what & why you don't like, and then we have some comments to evaluate. If'n you can't say why you think it is dumb...then that is just dumb.

 

[pdqdl]

Did you ever notice that pretty much every chemical there is has a label on it that says it causes cancer in California? What is wrong with those Californians? They must be some kind of sissies.

At my house we have a well. There is also an old graphite mine just up the hill from our well. There is also an ROW out back and uphill from our well -head. We do not drink the water from that well. No sir.

There is no need to spray the part of the ROW that runs through our place but up on the hill where they can't get the mower I am sure they are spraying some crap.

I guess if I wanted the use of the well, I would take a sample and send it in for testing. Just saying that you have a well that is downhill from a mine isn't really adding much meaning to this conversation.

Most power line clearance is done with specialty mowing equipment, due to concerns about chemical drift from adjacent property owners. Tordon is great for killing brush, but that doesn't make it a good use everywhere you don't want any brush to grow.

 

[capetrees]

I'm done.

good luck

 

[DR. P. Proteus]

Tordon 22k is even made with aerial applications. So yes, spraying it into the air is commonly done.

Had you read the label I posted you would have known that.

I did read the label. It said something about using hooded equipment.

I briefed through what Cape posted, it seemed vague. I didn't see anything about using a respirator.