Well a few months ago I got my 461 after a lot of thought about what saw to get. I will say I’m completely satisfied with my choice. I cut a little over a truck load of beech and red oak very quick and even had my niece as my helper and to keep me in line. She made sure all of the snacks and Gatorade in my truck were gone but she had fun and I did as well. I really like the torque this saw has to be stock. With the 24 inch bar it didn’t loose much rpm even in the hard beech.