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Wood hybrid uses reburn tube and a cat. You can bypass that and essentially lower the temp quickly as well as closing the draft. Steel will cool faster than stone or cast. (Might burn out quicker too but trade offs). 3 cu ft fire box is a plus too.

BK is about the only competition efficiency wise and I'm just tired of hearing how users put 3 popsicle sticks in 3 days ago and still have a lump of burning coal. The cost and appearance are the biggest con's imo.
3 cu ft box is pretty big, that would be a bit toasty in my place. Sometimes in the shoulder I have a hard time keeping mine burning clean without cooking us out.
My wood burner has cast sides and a cooktop that is separated from the steel plate firebox, it takes a while to get everything warmed up and putting out heat, but does a great job once everything is up to temp.
I get what you're saying about the popsicle sticks lol.
 
3 cu ft box is pretty big, that would be a bit toasty in my place. Sometimes in the shoulder I have a hard time keeping mine burning clean without cooking us out.
My wood burner has cast sides and a cooktop that is separated from the steel plate firebox, it takes a while to get everything warmed up and putting out heat, but does a great job once everything is up to temp.
I get what you're saying about the popsicle sticks lol.
Unique situation in the kitchen of the old farm house. Kitchens the main gathering place but... has 2 exterior doors, 3 interior and 2 62x30" windows.

1st floor consists of:
Kitchen
Bathroom
Utility
Formal dining
Living room
Bedroom

It's 68° in the living room now. Which is pretty good for my little Dragon. Winds killing any efficiency it has!
 
Thanks for the info.
Is it as simple to operate as toss it in and walk away once it's set up right.

The owner of that business did lol.
There are various videos linked on their site, it's kinda like saying I think I can build a better tire, I may be able too, but at what cost. Spending thousands of dollars doing it might decrease the savings a little, but you may also be the next new business owner, go big or go home :lol:.

Great info, I probably would burn mostly hardwood, but from what I've seen of the controls and whatnot they could control the burn on whatever you toss in it.



Yes, it is that simple. There's a computer on the side of the unit with a dial to adjust for your desired heat output. I guess I should point out that I don't toss wood in like I did with my old Yukon Klondike. Rather I stack it with the ends facing the door. You can stack a LOT of wood in there.

My house picks up a lot of solar gain on sunny days, so right now at these super low temps my routine is to fill the firebox all the way at about 10pm. I turn the dial to Hi.

At about 7am I go down and pull the coals forward. There's a ton of hot coals at this point. I toss 4-5 small splits in while I'm there. My house is old and drafty, with almost exclusively single pane windows and storm windows. At that point in the day I want a nice blast of heat to carry me until the sun amounts to anything.

Then at 11am I load the furnace about 1/2-2/3 of the way full. The coals from last night are nicely burned down by then. At this point I turn the furnace down almost all the way to low.

At 5pm I repeat the current 7am process. I pull the coals forward and toss a few splits in to give me some nice heat while the coals finish up.

So I mess with it 4 times every 24 hours. It'd be less if our heat demand was more constant. And once I finished the installation I've only had to light a fire once. My old Yukon needed wood every 2-3 hours, so we were lighting a fire at a minimum of once a day. Usually twice though, since I'd fire it up in the morning but once the sun was high enough I'd have to let it go out or we'd cook. So I'd have to light it up again in the evening. Honestly, just the convenience of not having to split kindling and light a fire so often is really great.



And about making one, sure, a talented fabricator could probably make something pretty close, but it'd take a lot of work and experimentation. The draft is controlled by a computer which reads the combustion temp via a thermocouple in the firebox. A lot of work went into the design of these furnaces, that's pretty clear. The way the air is preheated and introduced is pretty complex. Plus, the main air intake is a solenoid controlled door with 4 positions which modulate based on the computer's instructions. It has to balance a clean burn with the desired heat output set by the user.

So, in my opinion, the purchase isn't cheap, but building one wouldn't be easy. Nor would it be cheap. It weighs 700+ pounds. And you'd need to buy the blower too. In my estimation, a talented fab guy would probably be better suited to make an hourly wage doing what they normally do and apply their earnings to the purchase rather than attempt a DIY version. Oh, and I forgot that the Vapor Fire is UL listed and EPA rated. The EPA rating might not mean much to the user, but the UL listing (or lack thereof with a homemade unit) might be of significance to your insurance agent.
 
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Most everything in the state is shut down today which is kind of laughable as I’m in the coldest area of the state and it’s only -18 with light winds.



Had one of those “they walk amongst us” encounters yesterday. Fortunately for the idiot involved, nobody was harmed...

Was traveling for work along a busy divided highway and come upon multiple cars pulled over. There’s a coyote up on the bank and it’s clearly not doing well. Upon getting closer you can see it’s dragging a snare from around its neck.

There are two people out of their cars heading into the ditch towards it. One of them was an old lady with a standard poodle on a leash!!!!!! I don’t know what would go through someone’s mind to try to want to approach a wounded predator, let alone bring your flipping dog towards it!!!

I could see this train wreck happening in slow motion. But the roads were icy and there were vehicles behind me so I couldn’t stop and yell at these idiots.

I called 911 and explained the situation. They called me back and said fortunately the coyote mustered the strength to run away which saved the idiot lady and her dog from being torn to shreds. This yote has been reported multiple times and they are trying to put it down but haven’t caught up to it yet.
 
Unique situation in the kitchen of the old farm house. Kitchens the main gathering place but... has 2 exterior doors, 3 interior and 2 62x30" windows.

1st floor consists of:
Kitchen
Bathroom
Utility
Formal dining
Living room
Bedroom

It's 68° in the living room now. Which is pretty good for my little Dragon. Winds killing any efficiency it has!
68 sounds warm, but if you go outside for a few and come back in it's probably quite tropical :havingarest:.
Just went out for around 45 min and took care of part of the accessory drive and the front yard, my gloves were the weak link, the wind is kicking up bad here too and lake effect snow when it feels like it. I'll be back out in a few for the next session, then one more for the day and I'm done.
I bet you've got to just keep loading that beast with those temps. I'll be doing a lot more loading of mine tomorrow as they are calling for a high of 0.
 
Yes, it is that simple. There's a computer on the side of the unit with a dial to adjust for your desired heat output. I guess I should point out that I don't toss wood in like I did with my old Yukon Klondike. Rather I stack it with the ends facing the door. You can stack a LOT of wood in there.

My house picks up a lot of solar gain on sunny days, so right now at these super low temps my routine is to fill the firebox all the way at about 10pm. I turn the dial to Hi.

At about 7am I go down and pull the coals forward. There's a ton of hot coals at this point. I toss 4-5 small splits in while I'm there. My house is old and drafty, with almost exclusively single pane windows and storm windows. At that point in the day I want a nice blast of heat to carry me until the sun amounts to anything.

Then at 11am I load the furnace about 1/2-2/3 of the way full. The coals from last night are nicely burned down by then. At this point I turn the furnace down almost all the way to low.

At 5pm I repeat the current 7am process. I pull the coals forward and toss a few splits in to give me some nice heat while the coals finish up.

So I mess with it 4 times every 24 hours. It'd be less if our heat demand was more constant. And once I finished the installation I've only had to light a fire once. My old Yukon needed wood every 2-3 hours, so we were lighting a fire at a minimum of once a day. Usually twice though, since I'd fire it up in the morning but once the sun was high enough I'd have to let it go out or we'd cook. So I'd have to light it up again in the evening. Honestly, just the convenience of not having to split kindling and light a fire so often is really great.



And about making one, sure, a talented fabricator could probably make something pretty close, but it'd take a lot of work and experimentation. The draft is controlled by a computer which reads the combustion temp via a thermocouple in the firebox. A lot of work went into the design of these furnaces, that's pretty clear. The way the air is preheated and introduced is pretty complex. Plus, the main air intake is a solenoid controlled door with 4 positions which modulate based on the computer's instructions. It has to balance a clean burn with the desired heat output set by the user.

So, in my opinion, the purchase isn't cheap, but building one wouldn't be easy. Nor would it be cheap. It weighs 700+ pounds. And you'd need to buy the blower too. In my estimation, a talented fab guy would probably be better suited to make an hourly wage doing what they normally do and apply their earnings to the purchase rather than attempt a DIY version. Oh, and I forgot that the Vapor Fire is UL listed and EPA rated. The EPA rating might not mean much to the user, but the UL listing (or lack thereof with a homemade unit) might be of significance to your insurance agent.
That's pretty awesome.
We are in the woods, we don't get much sun at all, hard to believe it does that much for you, are you sure it doesn't just feel warmer :laugh:, funnier if you been staying up with the thread, at least to me.
I'm sure I could get away with loading it a lot less than you, it's quite a bit colder there. How do you think it will do in the shoulder season, would more seasoned wood be the best then.
They have put a lot of energy into making them well built but also efficient, seems many things that are well built are not as efficient, I can appreciate the hard work that went into it and if the finances are there it's top of the list for me.
 
Is it gas/wood or what, how do you shut it down for company.
Also what do you mean in #7 it's not a blaze king.

I wasn't able to just swap them out, I had to go in for a bit. The real cold weather gloves I've had for the last 6-7 years kicked butt but they are worn out and gone now, sure wouldn't mind getting something like those. I looked after I busted through them and couldn't find any, I don't even know what they were now, but if I saw them I'd know.
I need to run out now and grab some scrounged wood, I'm almost out and everyone is sleeping so I can get more done :clap:.

What do you mean “how do you shut it down for company”

Why would you want to shut it down for company?


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What do you mean “how do you shut it down for company”

Why would you want to shut it down for company?


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I was wondering the same thing, he answered it, maybe you didn't read his original post or his response.
 
I was wondering the same thing, he answered it, maybe you didn't read his original post or his response.

Ok.

I apparently quoted the wrong person[emoji23][emoji23]

But the question still stands

The last thing I want to do when it’s zero or negative degrees out and my house finally got up to high 70s or low 80s is shut it down for a company.

They can “suck it up nancy”


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What do you have.
Chipper: I have an Energy King, 145. Made in Chippewa Falls Wis. I think they are out of business now. I had it installed in our new house 23 years ago. It is installed as the main heat source with an LP gas furnace as backup. It is located in the basement on one end of the house, attached to a masonry chimney; the chimney is outside the basement wall. Ductwork runs through the basement, main floor and second floor. I am heating 4300 sq. ft. The house has insulated 2x6 walls, double pane windows and 14" of insulation in the ceiling. I have no trouble keeping the house warm. It is -17 right now and 75* in the house. I use 6-7 cord of hardwood in a cold winter. I have never been on the roof to clean the chimney in 22 years. I check it every fall with a mirror held in the cleanout door in the basement. I have never gotten more than 3 gallons of soot out of the cleanout. If we are not gone over night the gas furnace never comes on. I will check the gas furnace in the fall to make sure it works but it hasn't come on in several years. I might have an old smoke dragon but it is working well for me.
 

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