Black Cat Performance meets the 462c

[Frank Rizzo]

True but nobody does that to my knowledge. Husquavarna would say 1 hour to seat the ring and 10 hours on the bottom end. A get a couple 51.4 mm 75 cm3 jugs from Mike Lee and the first saw had a broken in bottom end and took 10 days to break those rings in where the saw fully kicked up. shortly after my second chain.

Comparrissons with the R&D are from one cut to the next so should be pretty good. maybe some changes respond better in smaller wood IDK? The same could be said about changes differing with a fully broken in or not saw IDK?


Ok your point is you take two new saws and they both time 10sec in a cut. one saw goes through X hours of r&d and the stock saw cuts the same volume with also about X hours and remaining stock. The mod saw can now cut that same 'pre mod' log in 8 sec whilst the stock saw has broken in and can now do it in 9 sec.



Math:
Builder then claims a 20% time gain
Meh
but the stock had a 10% gain so that's a 10% gain in the mod saw (in my scenerio )
The only saw we can compare it to is the 372 with 5.4 hp 70.9 cc VS 462 with 70cc 6 ph
10% of 5.4 hp is .54 + 5.4 = 5.94 hp.

So the 462 has 10.5% ph more than the 372 we will say.

So the factory has 'found 10.5 % more hp gains'. That may transfer nothing in the cut or quite a bit in others. Time gains are subjective.

A fast 6 ph would do a lot for most guys. porting would be a waste.

A true 15-16 % hp gain. would give you about 7 hp. That would just work for the
coast but time gain percentage does not mean ****. too subjective. HP can be measured as a constant.

What makes you think that the ported Saw won’t gain from break-in also ? If the Saw achieves a 15% gain by performing intake and exhaust mods over stock cut for cut I fail to see the logic ??? I can show you a video of a broken-in 362c that’s hot-woods ported that is nipping at the heels of a new 462 in the same log ... 59cc vs 72.2cc ... approximately 27% faster cut time than a stock saw ( both with stock chain )with a heckuva lot more torque ... Now I can “chain” the modded Saw because it’s got the stones to pull it whereas the stock saw will stall when dogged -in ..and cut even quicker !!!. I’m shootin for a 25-30% gain on the 462c over stock ...

 

[Deleted member 135597]

What makes you think that the ported Saw won’t gain from break-in also ? If the Saw achieves a 15% gain by performing intake and exhaust mods over stock cut for cut I fail to see the logic ??? I can show you a video of a broken-in 362c that’s hot-woods ported that is nipping at the heels of a new 462 in the same log ... 59cc vs 72.2cc ... approximately 27% faster cut time than a stock saw ( both with stock chain )with a heckuva lot more torque ... Now I can “chain” the modded Saw because it’s got the stones to pull it whereas the stock saw will stall when dogged -in ..and cut even quicker !!!. I’m shootin for a 25-30% gain on the 462c over stock ...

Maybe I jumped the gun saying that I thought you were intelligent.

 

[Deleted member 135597]

What makes you think that the ported Saw won’t gain from break-in also ? If the Saw achieves a 15% gain by performing intake and exhaust mods over stock cut for cut I fail to see the logic ??? I can show you a video of a broken-in 362c that’s hot-woods ported that is nipping at the heels of a new 462 in the same log ... 59cc vs 72.2cc ... approximately 27% faster cut time than a stock saw ( both with stock chain )with a heckuva lot more torque ... Now I can “chain” the modded Saw because it’s got the stones to pull it whereas the stock saw will stall when dogged -in ..and cut even quicker !!!. I’m shootin for a 25-30% gain on the 462c over stock ...

Pay attention to the 462 when red bull posts the after video of the 462vs461 in the saw video thread. Remember crabbys gains with the original 462 in his build thread? I don’t recall exact numbers, but they were in the 25-30% range I believe. Watch them drastically drop with this second saw if the after vid is honestly reported. Those gains will return with runtime but Why were those gains lost, and who should take credit for them? I’m putting myself out there and say you will see at least a 15% drop in gains. I will take this even further, his 1st cut with the new never run stock 462 was 40.7 his 1st cut with the new 462 with only 1 cut on it after porting will be no better than 35 seconds if the saw actually only has one cut on it, and that time is giving him alot of credit. im going to be arogant and say I guarantee im not wrong IF an honest video is posted @redbull660

 

[Frank Rizzo]

True but nobody does that to my knowledge. Husquavarna would say 1 hour to seat the ring and 10 hours on the bottom end. A get a couple 51.4 mm 75 cm3 jugs from Mike Lee and the first saw had a broken in bottom end and took 10 days to break those rings in where the saw fully kicked up. shortly after my second chain.

Comparrissons with the R&D are from one cut to the next so should be pretty good. maybe some changes respond better in smaller wood IDK? The same could be said about changes differing with a fully broken in or not saw IDK?


Ok your point is you take two new saws and they both time 10sec in a cut. one saw goes through X hours of r&d and the stock saw cuts the same volume with also about X hours and remaining stock. The mod saw can now cut that same 'pre mod' log in 8 sec whilst the stock saw has broken in and can now do it in 9 sec.



Math:
Builder then claims a 20% time gain
Meh
but the stock had a 10% gain so that's a 10% gain in the mod saw (in my scenerio )
The only saw we can compare it to is the 372 with 5.4 hp 70.9 cc VS 462 with 70cc 6 ph
10% of 5.4 hp is .54 + 5.4 = 5.94 hp.

So the 462 has 10.5% ph more than the 372 we will say.

So the factory has 'found 10.5 % more hp gains'. That may transfer nothing in the cut or quite a bit in others. Time gains are subjective.

A fast 6 ph would do a lot for most guys. porting would be a waste.

A true 15-16 % hp gain. would give you about 7 hp. That would just work for the
coast but time gain percentage does not mean ****. too subjective. HP can be measured as a constant.

Let’s play devils advocate here ... let’s assume a bone - stock 462c lasts 1000hrs of use and the modded Saw that’s 25% quicker lasts 1000hrs also (and this is being conservative for sake of argument)and that you have infinite logs to cut ... if your hourly rate is $50 with the stocker that means the Saw will generate 50,000 during its lifespan 50*1000 ... The modded Saw 62.50*1000 or 62500 or a 12500 net gain for the end user ! To pay 350,400,600 dollars up front for mods seems like a lot but over the life of the Saw (assuming 1000 hrs) it’s small potatoes! Even a muffler/ intake that ONLY achieves 10% gain is going to net you $5000 over the life of the Saw ! Simple math !

 

[Deleted member 135597]

Let’s play devils advocate here ... let’s assume a bone - stock 462c lasts 1000hrs of use and the modded Saw that’s 25% quicker lasts 1000hrs also (and this is being conservative for sake of argument)and that you have infinite logs to cut ... if your hourly rate is $50 with the stocker that means the Saw will generate 50,000 during its lifespan 50*1000 ... The modded Saw 62.50*1000 or 62500 or a 12500 net gain for the end user ! To pay 350,400,600 dollars up front for mods seems like a lot but over the life of the Saw (assuming 1000 hrs) it’s small potatoes! Even a muffler/ intake that ONLY achieves 10% gain is going to net you $5000 over the life of the Saw ! Simple math !

yes if it's actually 25% faster than stock. Your 10% faster figure is a more realistic number for the 462. This saw from what ive seen just doesn't have the gains achieved like lets say a 461 does.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

Anyone claiming lost gains is clueless ... 2 462 saws - road runnin between them ... the one on left 462c is bone stock ... the one on right is ported / modded from jump street ... neither has 1 tank of fuel thru them ... after 10 full tanks both are run in same wood with 20” bar/stock chain ... It is discovered that the ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... the test is run again at 20 tanks ... ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... anyone claiming “break -in “ is omitting the fact that BOTH SAWS will break-in AS they are Being RUN !

 

[Deleted member 135597]

Anyone claiming lost gains is clueless ... 2 462 saws - road runnin between them ... the one on left 462c is bone stock ... the one on right is ported / modded from jump street ... neither has 1 tank of fuel thru them ... after 10 full tanks both are run in same wood with 20” bar/stock chain ... It is discovered that the ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... the test is run again at 20 tanks ... ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... anyone claiming “break -in “ is omitting the fact that BOTH SAWS will break-in AS they are Being RUN !

You are exactly correct IF you came up with your 25% figure that way. THAT IS NOT HOW YOUR DOING IT! as you are testing and tweaking the saw is getting run time and the numbers are skewed. You will get it when red bull posts the video.

 

[tdiguy]

55 pages......

 

[Deleted member 135597]

You’ve admitted u got like 5-6 tanks thru the saw already, most of the gains you are seeing are strictly from that and nothing to do with your mods. How can you not understand this?

 

[Mike Hunterts]

Yah , thanks for 180 but I ain’t buying it pal , not for one second ! You talk out of both sides of yapper guy ... tell ya what : you go your way , I go mine ... very simple - now kindly go troll someone else and if you decide to come back for more please bring your “A” game as the caca you spew is WEAK !

I've seen flashes of sanity from you, so I know there's at least one personality in there with hope.
I would never suggest medication, but it looks like you may be a good candidate.

You have to want to get better though, that's the key. If you stay on the path you're on, you'll end up on an island by yourself, with no one to blame but you.

Why are you so angry/ unhappy? Maybe if you figure that out you can get on the road to recovery.

 

[Deleted member 135597]

Anyone claiming lost gains is clueless ... 2 462 saws - road runnin between them ... the one on left 462c is bone stock ... the one on right is ported / modded from jump street ... neither has 1 tank of fuel thru them ... after 10 full tanks both are run in same wood with 20” bar/stock chain ... It is discovered that the ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... the test is run again at 20 tanks ... ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... anyone claiming “break -in “ is omitting the fact that BOTH SAWS will break-in AS they are Being RUN !

Bro I’ve seen it with my own two eyes with my 462s. My stop watch, my testing, no agenda whatsoever because I don’t port for anyone but myself, never have and never will, ego left at the door. If you want to be honest with yourself you will get a second 462 make one test cut stock and one test cut modded with your current recipe. You will see your gains drop off DRASTICALLY those are your true gains. I will find out shortly how honest some porters are on this website

 

[stihl sawing]

Anyone claiming lost gains is clueless ... 2 462 saws - road runnin between them ... the one on left 462c is bone stock ... the one on right is ported / modded from jump street ... neither has 1 tank of fuel thru them ... after 10 full tanks both are run in same wood with 20” bar/stock chain ... It is discovered that the ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... the test is run again at 20 tanks ... ported Saw cuts 25% quicker ... anyone claiming “break -in “ is omitting the fact that BOTH SAWS will break-in AS they are Being RUN !

I don't think anyone is saying a properly ported saw won't achieve gains, what they are saying is YOU haven't ported one.

In one post you said you never ported a saw that sold to anyone, another post you have ported enough to be an expert already. where did all these ported saws go?

All yer doin is putting a different air filter on and punchin out the muffler and calling it a hot woods port. What basher is telling you is the small gains you are seeing is from the saw breaking in.

The problem is your incessive bragging and how your saw would destroy everyone else's. another is you inability to post evidence that yours is the best.

You wanna shut everyone up? do a real build thread, not one where all you post is others videos and those stupid other crap videos you post that has NOTHING to do with a build.

and stop saying "WE" like you have crew working for you. although i'm sure the Gerbil appreciates you counting him.

 

[cuinrearview]

I wish people would quit saying "if you wanna shut everyone up..." or "if you wanna prove the doubters".

 

[stihl sawing]

I wish people would quit saying "if you wanna shut everyone up..." or "if you wanna prove the doubters".

OK i'll stop. he ain't goin to anyway.

 

[Deleted member 135597]

I want the 2 462s I have 30-40% quicker than stock and I can’t achieve it ! But I’m also not a professional porter. If I come across someone that can do that and prove it to me, I will dump another $800 into these saws to have it done.

 

[stihl sawing]

I want the 2 462s I have 30-40% quicker than stock and I can’t achieve it ! But I’m also not a professional porter. If I come across someone that can do that and prove it to me, I will dump another $800 into these saws to have it done.

I'll port them for you, send them to me. you'll get 0 gains and it will never run again. but I am an expert at porting. you wanna see my work? you probably already have as I am an internet sensation. Unlike Frank I can prove my work with pics.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

I don't think anyone is saying a properly ported saw won't achieve gains, what they are saying is YOU haven't ported one.

In one post you said you never ported a saw that sold to anyone, another post you have ported enough to be an expert already. where did all these ported saws go?

All yer doin is putting a different air filter on and punchin out the muffler and calling it a hot woods port. What basher is telling you is the small gains you are seeing is from the saw breaking in.

The problem is your incessive bragging and how your saw would destroy everyone else's. another is you inability to post evidence that yours is the best.

You wanna shut everyone up? do a real build thread, not one where all you post is others videos and those stupid other crap videos you post that has NOTHING to do with a build.

and stop saying "WE" like you have crew working for you. although i'm sure the Gerbil appreciates you counting him.

I’m modding a 462c for more performance on this thread - simple as that ; plain as day ... so far we’ve put on a tuned tube exhaust and are in process of modding intake for more air ... then it will get flow enhancements and final # s vs stock shown ... I’m not here to argue with you when you take statements out of context and then attempt to manipulate them to suit YOUR agenda ! As far as port-work , mods goes ... It’s frankly None of your business who I have or have not done work for ! Why do YOU care ? If you don’t like the thread feel free to go elsewhere; or better yet start a thread of your own ! Then I’ll come over and badger you ad nauseam about how and why you should be doing it and proceed to stink up the joint like use continue to do here ... heavens knows , I’ve work to do and this nonsense is simply a waste of valuable time ! OUT

 

[stihl sawing]

I’m modding a 462c for more performance on this thread - simple as that ; plain as day ... so far we’ve put on a tuned tube exhaust and are in process of modding intake for more air ... then it will get flow enhancements and final # s vs stock shown ... I’m not here to argue with you when you take statements out of context and then attempt to manipulate them to suit YOUR agenda ! As far as port-work , mods goes ... It’s frankly None of your business who I have or have not done work for ! Why do YOU care ? If you don’t like the thread feel free to go elsewhere; or better yet start a thread of your own ! Then I’ll come over and badger you ad nauseam about how and why you should be doing it and proceed to stink up the joint like use continue to do here ... heavens knows , I’ve work to do and this nonsense is simply a waste of valuable time ! OUT

Yep, them 7 saplings is waitin on ya. Yer just mad cause I show pics of my port work and you can't.

 

[stihl sawing]

I’m modding a 462c for more performance on this thread - simple as that ; plain as day ... so far we’ve put on a tuned tube exhaust and are in process of modding intake for more air ... then it will get flow enhancements and final # s vs stock shown ... I’m not here to argue with you when you take statements out of context and then attempt to manipulate them to suit YOUR agenda ! As far as port-work , mods goes ... It’s frankly None of your business who I have or have not done work for ! Why do YOU care ? If you don’t like the thread feel free to go elsewhere; or better yet start a thread of your own ! Then I’ll come over and badger you ad nauseam about how and why you should be doing it and proceed to stink up the joint like use continue to do here ... heavens knows , I’ve work to do and this nonsense is simply a waste of valuable time ! OUT

There's that we again.

 

[cuinrearview]

There's no other explanation than someone else is doing the work.