Barber Chair Video - Finding Original Source?

[SteveSr]

Hello,

A lot of you have probably seen this video...

https://www.facebook<dot>com/therealtrollco/videos/2489507804404583/
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Anybody know how to find the original source? I would like to be able to use a complete (and higher resolution) version in a saw safety course.

Thanks,
Steve

 

[Deleted member 149229]

Seen it on YouTube if that helps.

 

[buzz sawyer]

Here's a link tot he orig. youtube post.

 

[Brent Nowell]

Here's a link tot he orig. youtube post.

Holy moly!!!!
Now that is an example of a barber chair. I have seen a lot of saw videos but I have not seen that before. You can see the wood starting to split just before he’s done. If that doesn’t fit as an example of a barber chair going to utter hell, nothing will!!!
It’s like the apocalypse in that video!! Wow

 

[SteveSr]

Here's a link tot he orig. youtube post.

Got it, Thanks!

 

[SteveSr]

Holy moly!!!!
Now that is an example of a barber chair. I have seen a lot of saw videos but I have not seen that before. You can see the wood starting to split just before he’s done. If that doesn’t fit as an example of a barber chair going to utter hell, nothing will!!!
It’s like the apocalypse in that video!! Wow

It would have been nice to have a wider view. Can't tell if that guy got slammed by the tree or not...

We can now start a discussion about what this idiot did wrong...

My thoughts - Using a wrap-around cut on an obviously seriously compromised tree. This tree would likely fail the USFS OHLEC 30% sound fiber walk-away criteria. That is why USFS has "Master Blasters" for hazard trees.

 

[Brent Nowell]

I am not one to judge a situation that is far beyond my skill...
What I do know is that leaners and particular species are prime candidates for barber chairs. High angle notch and plunge cut works well from what I know... but how do you plunge cut a tree that’s 6 feet in diameter ?? Lol

Steve sr
What is 30% sound fiber criteria? How do you measure this? I am curious

 

[RandyMac]

It would have been nice to have a wider view. Can't tell if that guy got slammed by the tree or not...

We can now start a discussion about what this idiot did wrong...

My thoughts - Using a wrap-around cut on an obviously seriously compromised tree. This tree would likely fail the USFS OHLEC 30% sound fiber walk-away criteria. That is why USFS has "Master Blasters" for hazard trees.

I take it that you have long term experience as a professional faller in conifers?

 

[Canyon Angler]

We can now start a discussion about what this idiot did wrong...

I'm just a weekend wood butcher, but I'm not sure that I saw anything that he did obviously wrong.
The face cut looks small from here, but I can't see the whole picture, nor know what the faller might have known about the tree.
Yeah, the tree chaired, but it wasn't clear to me that it was the fault of the faller.
I got the impression that he just got surprised by a tree that was fubar and he didn't realize how fubar.
Can someone more knowledgeable enlighten me? What am I missing that was obvious in the video that "this idiot did wrong," if anything?
Never had a tree barber chair on me, but the possibility scares me and I want to avoid it at all cost.

 

[SteveSr]

I am not one to judge a situation that is far beyond my skill...
What I do know is that leaners and particular species are prime candidates for barber chairs. High angle notch and plunge cut works well from what I know... but how do you plunge cut a tree that’s 6 feet in diameter ?? Lol

Go in from both sides. The cuts don't have to line up exactly, especially if they overlap a little.

Steve sr
What is 30% sound fiber criteria? How do you measure this? I am curious

Current USFS OHLEC guidelines say that if there is less than 30% sound fiber at the hinge than the tree is a "walk-away". Same thing if the base won't support the stem if cut. Looks like there night have been some of this going on as well.

 

[Huskybill]

You can see the hole in the trunk at the ground level. That’s a sign it maybe rotten inside.

I had one of my first trees barber chair it was hollow inside.. she split and went over backwards lucky it was a small diameter tree.

 

[Skeans]

Go in from both sides. The cuts don't have to line up exactly, especially if they overlap a little.



Current USFS OHLEC guidelines say that if there is less than 30% sound fiber at the hinge than the tree is a "walk-away". Same thing if the base won't support the stem if cut. Looks like there night have been some of this going on as well.

That’s on USFS ground private ground is a completely different story, when’s the last time on private ground have you heard of stumps even being blown off?

The only indicator I see that there’s an issue with it is the seam on the right hand side, that said how can you judge someone’s ability off that video? Plunge cutting that tree more then likely would of resulted on the faller being killed he wouldn’t of been watching the tree he would of been watching how the saw bored in to make sure he wasn’t nipping the hinge.


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[cliff86]

On the bright side... the faller had good "situational awareness" to know when to skedaddle. Also, he did not try to save the saw.

 

[SteveSr]

Unfortunately, we'll never know the complete details of this incident since none of us was there. However, just from the video can be seen some troubling signs.

Although somewhat hard to see in the video it looks like the face cut is not deep enough. Maybe the sawyer did this on purpose knowing that the tree was likely hollow. Had the face cut been the recommended 80% diameter length the face cut may have exposed the hollow core which would have been a good sign to walk away.

The stump has a large hole in it indicating the likelihood of some serious integrity issues. The sawyer should have known that the tree was hollow when he started the back cut on the far side of the tree.

The wrap around cut was not a sound approach as by default it will leave any attached sound fiber on the near side of the tree. This is exactly where the barber chair started. Had that fiber been cut first (or second) with a different back cut the tree might not have chaired.

In any case this video provides some sobering food for thought (and lively discussion) on how not to become the next statistic.

 

[SteveSr]

That’s on USFS ground private ground is a completely different story, when’s the last time on private ground have you heard of stumps even being blown off?

The only indicator I see that there’s an issue with it is the seam on the right hand side, that said how can you judge someone’s ability off that video? Plunge cutting that tree more then likely would of resulted on the faller being killed he wouldn’t of been watching the tree he would of been watching how the saw bored in to make sure he wasn’t nipping the hinge.

Obviously you won't be blasting hazard trees in a commercial setting as the USFS does.

So for my (and everyone else's') education how would a tree like this be handled in a commercial logging environment? What rules (if any) dictate when a sawyer should walk away? Is it solely up to the sawyer's judgement or are there rules such as OSHA?

 

[grizz55chev]

It would have been nice to have a wider view. Can't tell if that guy got slammed by the tree or not...

We can now start a discussion about what this idiot did wrong...

My thoughts - Using a wrap-around cut on an obviously seriously compromised tree. This tree would likely fail the USFS OHLEC 30% sound fiber walk-away criteria. That is why USFS has "Master Blasters" for hazard trees.

I’ve seen this video from a different angle, he likely knew t was going to be a challenge! Looks like he made it out ok.

 

[SteveSr]

I’ve seen this video from a different angle, he likely knew t was going to be a challenge! Looks like he made it out ok.

Glad he made it out o.k. Couldn't really tell from the original video. Any chance that you could remember where you saw the other video of the same incident or better yet, a link to it? It might shed more light on the actual situation.

 

[grizz55chev]

Glad he made it out o.k. Couldn't really tell from the original video. Any chance that you could remember where you saw the other video of the same incident or better yet, a link to it? It might shed more light on the actual situation.

I’m a member of a FB group on old logging pics, it was a while ago. I’ll check to see if I can find a link.

 

[Mike Kunte]

The video you are referring to looks more like the collapse of a completely rotten tree! Here is my favourite "classic" barberchair video...

 

[Skeans]

The video you are referring to looks more like the collapse of a completely rotten tree! Here is my favourite "classic" barberchair video...

That looks like a red alder, if it is if you look at the damn things funny sometimes I swear they’ll chair.


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