WOW! Bad Firewood Deal

[lknchoppers]

Sounds like this guy is into all kinds of shady stuff with all those judgements against him. I sell firewood and I treat my customers as I would treat my friends, if I think they did not get quite enough wood I tell them and stop by on my next trip in their area and drop some more off. If they are unhappy for any reason I encourage them to call me so I can work out the issue if one arises. A little extra firewood here and there, a followup phone call is extra work but it's not that hard to stay on it.

 

[turnkey4099]

Things like this will always end bad for the person committing the fraud. With the power of the internet this guys firewood business will be shot in a few years. He may make a larger profit now but in the end he will have lost more money than he could have made by doing legit business. Unfortunately customers will get screwed till he goes under.

From the reports it sounds like he is broke and running on what sales he can scam. Probably isn't going to be around for long.

 

[Marshy]

From the reports it sounds like he is broke and running on what sales he can scam. Probably isn't going to be around for long.

It would seem that way but the original post was made in 2009. This guy has been scamming people for almost 10 years.

 

[Marshy]

From the reports it sounds like he is broke and running on what sales he can scam. Probably isn't going to be around for long.

It would seem that way but the original post was made in 2009. This guy has been scamming people for almost 10 years.

 

[ChoppyChoppy]

Likely for every person that realizes they were shorted there's several that are just fine with whatever amount they got.

I can't see how he could be profitable at $150/cord for processed and seasoned wood with actual cords of wood and not a made up way less amount.

 

[rarefish383]

WOW, this thread started 10 years ago with a TV report on the guy, I can't believe word hasn't gottn around.

WOODY, the guy has been doing this for at least 10 years. He'll die at the ripe old age of 106 before anything "BAD" happens to him. That's the problem of using a term with no legal definition.

Since this has been going on in the same area for over 10 years, there comes a point where you have to say, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

Holy cow, I live in MD and wouldn't buy wood from him, I recognize his name from here.

 

[Marshy]

WOW, this thread started 10 years ago with a TV report on the guy, I can't believe word hasn't gottn around.

WOODY, the guy has been doing this for at least 10 years. He'll die at the ripe old age of 106 before anything "BAD" happens to him. That's the problem of using a term with no legal definition.

Since this has been going on in the same area for over 10 years, there comes a point where you have to say, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

Holy cow, I live in MD and wouldn't buy wood from him, I recognize his name from here.

That is why I was saying the news crew might be interested in a follow up story since it's been 10 years and hes still going!

 

[rarefish383]

That is why I was saying the news crew might be interested in a follow up story since it's been 10 years and hes still going!

Yep.

 

[dmb2613]

I here a lot about face cords , sounds like a way to get more out of a cord of wood. A lot of crooks selling wood. Like the guy selling by the pickup load with the spare tire under the wood in the bed of the truck and never getting the bark out of the bed

 

[turnkey4099]

Likely for every person that realizes they were shorted there's several that are just fine with whatever amount they got.

I can't see how he could be profitable at $150/cord for processed and seasoned wood with actual cords of wood and not a made up way less amount.

I clear out old groves of willow for farmers just for 'fun'. Sell it at $120 cord. Definity not profitable but then what hobby is?

 

[Marshy]

I here a lot about face cords , sounds like a way to get more out of a cord of wood. A lot of crooks selling wood. Like the guy selling by the pickup load with the spare tire under the wood in the bed of the truck and never getting the bark out of the bed

Face cord is simply 1/3 of a cord. The wood should be 16" cut length. That's the rule of thumb but it's not an official measurement. A face cord can be "faced" to any length and still be called a face cord as long as it stacks out at 4' tall and 8' long.

 

[Husky Man]

Face cord is simply 1/3 of a cord. The wood should be 16" cut length. That's the rule of thumb but it's not an official measurement. A face cord can be "faced" to any length and still be called a face cord as long as it stacks out at 4' tall and 8' long.

It must be a regional term, I'm 53 and have been burning wood most of my life, out here in Oregon, I had never heard the term "Face Cord" before I joined AS.

Oregon Weights and Measures defines a "Rick" as a Third of a cord, and 16"x4'x8' as example given

They rarely make an Issue of it, but Oregon REQUIRES Firewood to be sold in Cord, or Fraction of Cord increments, that "Pickup Load" for sale in the Grocery Store parking lot, is not a Legal lot measurement


Doug

 

[Marshy]

It must be a regional term, I'm 53 and have been burning wood most of my life, out here in Oregon, I had never heard the term "Face Cord" before I joined AS.

Oregon Weights and Measures defines a "Rick" as a Third of a cord, and 16"x4'x8' as example given

They rarely make an Issue of it, but Oregon REQUIRES Firewood to be sold in Cord, or Fraction of Cord increments, that "Pickup Load" for sale in the Grocery Store parking lot, is not a Legal lot measurement


Doug

It is a regional thing. The rick and the face cord are the same. Our laws are no different than yours regarding the sale of firewood but it is unforced and people are not educated on it. It makes me even more pissed off when people call a face cord a cord.

 

[rarefish383]

It is a regional thing. The rick and the face cord are the same. Our laws are no different than yours regarding the sale of firewood but it is unforced and people are not educated on it. It makes me even more pissed off when people call a face cord a cord.

I grew up in the Wash. D.C. metro area, MD side. When we first started hearing the term in the mid 70's, we were still cutting most of our wood 24", except special orders. The "Hooks" were selling 2 face, cut 16", as a cord. That left a bad taste in my mouth that has never gone away. I don't like the term. I'm 62 and my neighbor is a few years older than me. He said his first job was splitting firewood for a big seller, and all they sold were face cords. The only term he had ever herd. That was in CT. I hear the term here more than I do in advertising in my area. So, yes, I agree it's pretty regional.

 

[066blaster]

I grew up in the Wash. D.C. metro area, MD side. When we first started hearing the term in the mid 70's, we were still cutting most of our wood 24", except special orders. The "Hooks" were selling 2 face, cut 16", as a cord. That left a bad taste in my mouth that has never gone away. I don't like the term. I'm 62 and my neighbor is a few years older than me. He said his first job was splitting firewood for a big seller, and all they sold were face cords. The only term he had ever herd. That was in CT. I hear the term here more than I do in advertising in my area. So, yes, I agree it's pretty regional.

Most people i sold to didn't want a full cord. I sold mostly "face cords" In my adds i gave the measurements, and took a picture of a face cord stack. I mean you have to call it something,,1/3 cord? I actually threw some extra in, and never had a complaint. plus i stacked most when i delivered, so It had to be right.
The only time i had an issue is when i cut up and bought some tops after a logger went through. I told the land owner $40 a cord for oak which i stacked on my trailer so i could measure it. I think he thought a face cord was actually a full cord. he always gave me weird looks when i paid him and thought i had more than a cord which i didn't.

 

[Baidarka64]

Where do I start…


Syracuse (WSYR-TV) - They paid cash for firewood, but customers of an Oswego County logger got just half of what they ordered.
The owner has been feeding them excuses for months, and he's still not delivering on refunds or wood that's owed.
After seeing an ad in the Pennysaver, Martin Sujkowski called and ordered 20 face cords of wood from Fairdale Logging in Oswego County. The wood was dropped off in a pile; the owner took his money. It wasn't until Martin got around to stacking it, that he realized there was something wrong.
“It turned out to be about 10 face cords, so I called him and he says ‘yes, I shorted you because we have this new digital system that was installed and it miscalculated, or whatever, yes you got shorted, I'll deliver the wood,’” Sujkowski says.
That was nearly eight months ago; Martin still doesn't have the other half of his order, or a refund. Scott Fonte has a similar story.
“I didn't know -- it was just in a pile -- what it was supposed to look like, so he left… I tried to burn a couple pieces, it just smoldered and turned black…I came out here and stacked it and realized it was exactly 1/2 short,” says Fonte.
Fonte called County Weights and Measures to confirm his shortage. The stack is also soft wood, not seasoned hardwood like he ordered.
Brodie Weaver, the owner of the logging company, claims his business has just gotten so big because more people are buying wood stoves that he's having a hard time keeping up -- an excuse Martin and Scott say they've heard dozens of times.
Martin won a small claims judgment against Weaver, but he's still got nothing to show for it.
Weaver has a handful of other outstanding judgments against him. I spoke with him at length and he said when business got busy, he made some careless mistakes, and he needs a little time to get things straightened out.
After our discussion, he showed up at Fonte’s house with some of the wood he owed him -- but not all of it.
We've heard from a few other people with complaints against this logger; they all say they heard about him through Craigslist.

Well, he is still at it. Brodie Weaver is on FB Marketplace. I did not research his history before ordering 5 facecord. He delivered less than four face cord almost four months ago and has been ducking my messages asking him to make it right. I would also bet, that since I am in Rochester and he is located in Hannibal, the wood is being transported more than 50 mile, in violation of the DEC order. Anyone in the 585 know of a reputable firewood seller in the Rochester area? Thanks.

 

[milkie62]

I have a story about a logger. I had straight line winds come through my property and take down a bunch of hemlock that were not accessible by tractor. I left a note on a skidder that was doing a job about 4 or 5 miles from my house. The guy called me . I told him that I needed to hire a skidder to drag some logs out for me. He said he worked by the 1000 bd ft . I did not know how much wood I had so I said OK. He came to my woodlot and we walked my wood road to the area of the down trees. He said he could do it. As we were walking back he wanted to walk up through my wood lot instead of on the logging road. When we got to the field he said he could cut my oak and cherry and bring out "some" of my hemlock. When I said I was not interested in tearing up my woods, he said he did not do the kind of work that I had originally asked for. I asked him then why did you say you did in the first place ? He said his skidder was down for $600 in parts in the winch. I said whats the problem with that. He had to come up with the money. So I told him if he had problems coming up with $600 then maybe he better find a different line of work. A few months later he called me back and said he could haul my hemlock. Told him I did not want his type on my property.

 

[svk]

Well, he is still at it. Brodie Weaver is on FB Marketplace. I did not research his history before ordering 5 facecord. He delivered less than four face cord almost four months ago and has been ducking my messages asking him to make it right. I would also bet, that since I am in Rochester and he is located in Hannibal, the wood is being transported more than 50 mile, in violation of the DEC order. Anyone in the 585 know of a reputable firewood seller in the Rochester area? Thanks.

Well I guess he only jacked you by one face cord so it could be worse.

If it was me, I’d be calling every agency around and turning him in for every single violation. I’d also be providing them with links to his report that was shared here. Clearly he’s made a business off of cheating people. Someone needs to close him down.

 

[rarefish383]

Firewood sales fall under DNR jerisdiction here and they take it pretty serious.

 

[Husky Man]

Firewood sales fall under DNR jerisdiction here and they take it pretty serious.

In Oregon, it is under weights and measures, and Oregon doesn’t take ANY Crime Seriously, UNLESS you’re a Republican, then spitting on the sidewalk is a 10 year sentence

Doug