Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[svk]

The Vortex and Nikon scopes I've been purchasing in recent years all have the BDC hashmarks that are supposed to allow you to sight in at 100 yds and use the hash marks for longer distances, but I was wondering how they actually compare to what I shoot. I did a lot of searching on the net and watched a lot of videos before I found what I was looking for.

Here is the information from Vortex: The first hash mark is (at max power) 1.5 MOA, the second at 4.5, third at 7.5 and the crosshairs thicken at 11 MOA. They caution that an MOA is really 1.047".

They say for "Class A" cartridges (includes 30-06, 308, 270, 6.5 Creedmoor) to sight in at 100 yards, for 223 sight in at 200 yds (the first hash would = 300 yds), and 22 lr at 50 yds (hash is for 70, 90, 110, 130).

Being a reloader, I'm shaking my head! The difference between a 150 grain and 180 grain in an 06 (or 130 vs 150 in a 270) are substantial, as is the BC of the bullet.

I calculated the scope drop from the Vortex information (based on a 100 yd sight in) as follows: 200 = 3.1"; 300 = 14.1"; 400 = 31.4" and 500 = 57.6".

Most spitzer bullets pushed at about 2,800 FPS will give you drops close to these #s.

My 338-06 has a MV of 2,700, but the 210 grain Barnes TTSX has a high BC (.482) which helps to make up the difference at longer range.

My actual drops for a 100 yd sight in are: 200 = 4.0", 300= 14.8"; 400 = 33.3" and 500 = 60.6".

Good to know this information. The farm has 400 and 500 yard shots. The scope settings are close enough for out to 300 yds, after that I should hold just a bit high.

If I were to increase velocity by 50 FPS, I would be pretty much right on the money! However, my load is accurate, so I'm keeping it.

You are most likely one of the few people who has the skill to harvest game at 500 yards. Most joe blow hunters do not.

 

[svk]

Enjoy those deer season memories together guys. Our DNR has completely f'ed our deer herd to the point where it will never recover.

In the past 4 seasons I think the two of us have seen 6 deer total at the cabin.

 

[svk]

One thing about deer, pressure, and the bigger deer going nocturnal.

When I was in high school my dad bought an old hobby farm. You could watch the does in the field every night. Bozo new neighbor moved in next door the second year we were there and brought a dozen guys to hunt his land (and often mine grrr). Damn deer went totally noctournal during season after that. You would not see a single deer unless it was pushed by someone.

Similar thing happened by my cabin....guy who hunted behind us decided to start camping back there during season rather than riding wheeler from home...It totally screwed up the area in a 1/4 mile radius of the campsite.

Deer don't care about your presence if you are where you are "supposed to be". If you are walking down a trail or road they will stand there and watch you. But if you are out in the woods and two of your arm hairs rub together wrong, they hear it and are running at 200 yards LOL.

 

[H-Ranch]

Scrounged this up over the weekend (well, at least it was delivered Saturday). A little over 2 quarts at half price, so seems like a scrounge.

Also picked this up:

Unfortunately it was from my uncle's memorial. He was a talented woodworker, this is just a part of the projects he made over the years. He's also the one that coined the number "40-11" over 80 years ago. It has since been a family joke as a reference for an indeterminate number in any discussion. Oddly, both his sons knew the joke, but did not know that their dad was the toddler that started it when he apparently couldn't count to 51.

 

[Sawdust Man]

You are most likely one of the few people who has the skill to harvest game at 500 yards. Most joe blow hunters do not.

Evening people.

I just got smarter by the studious intake of 8 pages of quality content here on the "other stuff" thread.

@Kodiak Kid ..... Husky bar nuts fit on Stihl studs.....

@svk .... Get rid of your Fords.

@ Deer hunters.... shoot em all.

One of yesterday's logs....

 

[MustangMike]

You are most likely one of the few people who has the skill to harvest game at 500 yards. Most joe blow hunters do not.

Have not harvested a deer at that range yet, but I have done a high-power shoot at 600 yds with open sights.

Since there are potential shoots that far at the farm (and they are often the only shots), if I take one, I want to know what I'm doing. Measure twice, cut once!

Hopefully, if it comes to that, there is no fog and my rangefinder works!

 

[MechanicMatt]

You are most likely one of the few people who has the skill to harvest game at 500 yards. Most joe blow hunters do not.

I hit one around 300 at the farm with Factory Remington CoreLokts. She dropped right there. I was shocked!

500 yard shots there is why I retired to 30-06 for that farm and bought the .300 WinMag

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Wouldn’t trust that (STIHL ) nut either, lol happy holidays KK , hope all is well

Like wise!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Evening people.

I just got smarter by the studious intake of 8 pages of quality content here on the "other stuff" thread.

@Kodiak Kid ..... Husky bar nuts fit on Stihl studs.....

@svk .... Get rid of your Fords.

@ Deer hunters.... shoot em all.

One of yesterday's logs....View attachment 1132808View attachment 1132809View attachment 1132810

Yes, but a Stihl bar wrench won't fit a Husky bar nut, because STIHLs have bigger nuts than Huskies!

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Yes, but a Stihl bar wrench won't fit a Husky bar nut, because STIHLs have bigger nuts than Huskies!

Yeaa, they are swelled up from being kicked in the nuts by Huskies!

SR

 

[Sawdust Man]

Yes, but a Stihl bar wrench won't fit a Husky bar nut, because STIHLs have bigger nuts than Huskies!

I s'pose so.....lol

 

[Trailsawyer]

There is nothing really wrong with carrying "to much gun" when hunting....., I've used 300 Win. Mag and 338 Mag rifles for deer, elk, and moose since 1970. The only two game animals I've shot over 300 yards were deer, and both dropped with one shot from my favorite .243!
As an "old man", a Sako 25-06 and a Ruger 7-08 are my favorite hunting rifles!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

You are most likely one of the few people who has the skill to harvest game at 500 yards. Most joe blow hunters do not.

Have not harvested a deer at that range yet, but I have done a high-power shoot at 600 yds with open sights.

Since there are potential shoots that far at the farm (and they are often the only shots), if I take one, I want to know what I'm doing. Measure twice, cut once!

Hopefully, if it comes to that, there is no fog and my rangefinder works!

I have been hunting since Ten years old and hunting regularly as an avid hunter since about 14 or 15. I've taken my fair share of game. I also do a pretty good amount of bench shooting. I'm pretty confident on the bench out to 600. In the field? I don't like to shoot at game past 300. I have a couple times in my life and it took three or four shots before I finally hit the animals with well placed shots. I'm lucky the previous shots missed completely and that I didn't fatality wound the animals from my lack of confidence and marksmanship. Long shots in the field is a bit different than having everything set up for you like on a bench. Some folks are great at long shots in field and at many differentdegrees of angle. Up hill or down. I'm just not one of them. 300 yards or closer on the other hand. Chances are very high the animal is getting anchored to the ground with a well placed shot to the boiler room.

Pleasant and good hunting Gentleman!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Yeaa, they are swelled up from being kicked in the nuts by Huskies!

SR

Ouch!

 

[MustangMike]

Good advice KK. I'm thinking since the deer on that farm are often that far away, and don't let you get much closer, I may just bring a bipod with me and go prone. Most of it is very flat.

At those distances, accuracy (of the gun and shooter) is key. The box of bullets I'm bringing are second load of virgin brass, fire formed, and the die adjusted to the chamber (FL). The last two 3 shot groups were both 1/2" at 100 yds.

I usually just think of a bipod for woodchuck hunting on my 220 swift, but different situations call for different methods.

I usually wouldn't take a shot over 200 yds when woods hunting, and anything over 100 yds I would either be sitting, kneeling, or in my sling and leaning against a tree.

 

[svk]

Must. Resist. Zigzag. Jokes.

 

[Ryan A]

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We've known that for years but 1 guy by the name of Gary Alt changed everything. Yes we are seeing bigger rack bucks but ya can't eat the horns. To many TV DEER shows convinced a lot of hunters to support him. Now most guys say they aren't seeing the deer they used to in most places. Suburbia has high populations of deer where you can't hunt. Heck they even bring in sharpshooters to thin the deer herd at Gettysburg military park.

Our deer densities are so high down here in 5C/5D, the only issue is limited places to hunt publicly. I drive an hour plus to hunt public in Chester County that’s quickly getting encroached by countless new developments popping up.

Fairmont park in the city of Philadelphia (bigger than Central Park in NYC) is packed with deer, they actually bring in government sharpshooters to cull the herd, similar to what you have in Gettysburg.

 

[Ryan A]

@farmer steve

Two whole different worlds. You’re a farmer and see SO MUCH more than I as an educator. Never met Gary Alt, but I understand and respect him as a biologist. Not just deer, but he’s had a huge role in black bear numbers come back in Pennsylvania.

Your opinion as someone who loses crops to deer damage and subsequently, money, I one hundred percent understand where you’re coming from.

I’d love to maybe one day travel to York and drink a beer or three with you and solve all the world’s problems.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

There is nothing really wrong with carrying "to much gun" when hunting....., I've used 300 Win. Mag and 338 Mag rifles for deer, elk, and moose since 1970. The only two game animals I've shot over 300 yards were deer, and both dropped with one shot from my favorite .243!
As an "old man", a Sako 25-06 and a Ruger 7-08 are my favorite hunting rifles!

I hunted deer with my 06 for over 25 years. These last few years I decided to switch to my .338 for my own reasons. As far as damaged meat goes? I can't tell much difference between an 06 180gr bullet to the shoulder of a deer or a .338 225gr bullet to shoulder of a deer. Not much difference at all really. That being said. I don't fire cheap projectiles that fragmentate upon or after impact either. Slower velocity loads seem to create less damage to meat than higher velocity loads also from what I've experienced.

 

[Billhook]

Google, Garrett 15 skidder.

I did, still cannot understand it as it seems to be back to front compared to the ones on the site
https://www.google.com/search?q=gar...mobile-gws-wiz-hp#vhid=1-2QkdRBBNiW5M&vssid=l
The engine overhang at the front, the mid mounted lift and no visible counterweight at the back.????