penetrating oil?

[ray benson]

Ran across this today while searching for additives in car oils.

February 2, 2008
Machinist's Workshop V20 number 2, April/May 2007, page 35

Article: “Testing Penetrating oils”
This reports a test of penetrating oils where they measured
the force required to loosen rusty test devices. The
details reported here were validated by the original
article author. He also added some details on the methods.
You must buy the issue if you want to see how they did the
test. The back issue is available for purchase.
The table below extracts the results table The lower the
number of pounds the better. Interesting that a simple mix
of acetone and power steering fluid (PSF) works the best!


Penetrating oil - Average load -Price per fluid ounce
None ...............516 pounds -- 0
WD-40 ..............238 pounds --$0.25
PB Blaster..........214 pounds --$0.35
Liquid Wrench ......127 pounds --$0.21
Kano Kroil .........106 pounds --$0.75
PSF-Acetone mix ....53 pounds ---$0.10 (50/50 mix)

Note from original article author:
1) These are loads required to free the test piece after
8 hours of immersion in penetrating oil. This is
probably not representative of a quick squirt just
before a wrench is applied.
2) The original article states ATF was used in the DIY
mix. It was actually PSF.

 

[cjcocn]

Ran across this today while searching for additives in car oils.

February 2, 2008
Machinist's Workshop V20 number 2, April/May 2007, page 35

Article: “Testing Penetrating oils”
This reports a test of penetrating oils where they measured
the force required to loosen rusty test devices. The
details reported here were validated by the original
article author. He also added some details on the methods.
You must buy the issue if you want to see how they did the
test. The back issue is available for purchase.
The table below extracts the results table The lower the
number of pounds the better. Interesting that a simple mix
of acetone and power steering fluid (PSF) works the best!


Penetrating oil - Average load -Price per fluid ounce
None ...............516 pounds -- 0
WD-40 ..............238 pounds --$0.25
PB Blaster..........214 pounds --$0.35
Liquid Wrench ......127 pounds --$0.21
Kano Kroil .........106 pounds --$0.75
PSF-Acetone mix ....53 pounds ---$0.10 (50/50 mix)

Note from original article author:
1) These are loads required to free the test piece after
8 hours of immersion in penetrating oil. This is
probably not representative of a quick squirt just
before a wrench is applied.
2) The original article states ATF was used in the DIY
mix. It was actually PSF.

I have used ATF/Acetone in a 50/50 mix and it worked well for me, but did not do any type of testing against any other (Kroil, etc) to compare.

Interesting results .... it appears that I will have to switch to PSF and find a seal-able container so that the acetone does not evaporate.

At just over 13% of the cost of Kroil, it looks like I will only be using the Kroil when I cannot soak parts, but otherwise will be using the home brew!

Thanks for posting that!

 

[user 19670]

Ran across this today while searching for additives in car oils.

February 2, 2008
Machinist's Workshop V20 number 2, April/May 2007, page 35

Article: “Testing Penetrating oils”
This reports a test of penetrating oils where they measured
the force required to loosen rusty test devices. The
details reported here were validated by the original
article author. He also added some details on the methods.
You must buy the issue if you want to see how they did the
test. The back issue is available for purchase.
The table below extracts the results table The lower the
number of pounds the better. Interesting that a simple mix
of acetone and power steering fluid (PSF) works the best!


Penetrating oil - Average load -Price per fluid ounce
None ...............516 pounds -- 0
WD-40 ..............238 pounds --$0.25
PB Blaster..........214 pounds --$0.35
Liquid Wrench ......127 pounds --$0.21
Kano Kroil .........106 pounds --$0.75
PSF-Acetone mix ....53 pounds ---$0.10 (50/50 mix)

Note from original article author:
1) These are loads required to free the test piece after
8 hours of immersion in penetrating oil. This is
probably not representative of a quick squirt just
before a wrench is applied.
2) The original article states ATF was used in the DIY
mix. It was actually PSF.

Thank you very much. I have not been much of a believer in penetrating oils in the past. Probably my lack of faith can be attributed to the proverbial "quick squirt just before a wrench is applied." that was the norm at work. Anytime I had to use it at home I would apply it every day for a few days in a row and then apply the wrench and things seemed to work well.
I never did any kind of test, just a seat of the pants evaluation.

I am going to copy & paste this information for my future use.
Ah, what the heck again LOL

 

[cabinman]

I doubt it

Ran across this today while searching for additives in car oils.

February 2, 2008
Machinist's Workshop V20 number 2, April/May 2007, page 35

Article: “Testing Penetrating oils”
This reports a test of penetrating oils where they measured
the force required to loosen rusty test devices. The
details reported here were validated by the original
article author. He also added some details on the methods.
You must buy the issue if you want to see how they did the
test. The back issue is available for purchase.
The table below extracts the results table The lower the
number of pounds the better. Interesting that a simple mix
of acetone and power steering fluid (PSF) works the best!


Penetrating oil - Average load -Price per fluid ounce
None ...............516 pounds -- 0
WD-40 ..............238 pounds --$0.25
PB Blaster..........214 pounds --$0.35
Liquid Wrench ......127 pounds --$0.21
Kano Kroil .........106 pounds --$0.75
PSF-Acetone mix ....53 pounds ---$0.10 (50/50 mix)

Note from original article author:
1) These are loads required to free the test piece after
8 hours of immersion in penetrating oil. This is
probably not representative of a quick squirt just
before a wrench is applied.
2) The original article states ATF was used in the DIY
mix. It was actually PSF.

I doubt these tests are accurate,...Givin the fact that they rate WD 40, basically as good as PB Blaster,....LOLOLOLOL,..Now thats funny, No offence, but wd 40 is about as good of a penetrant as 3in1 oil,....LOL Eric

 

[panhead9]

PB Blast hands Down...:smoking:

 

[Cedarkerf]

Use Kroil as an airline mech has loosend some stuff that amazed many people good stuff,

 

[Brushwacker]

No love for Fluid Film in AS land?

I worked for a farmer , if I remember right that is what he used for lubricating all his chains on farm equipment. Said it lasted nearly a full season on chains. I had aimed to get a can myself but never noticed it for sale anywhere.

 

[cjcocn]

I worked for a farmer , if I remember right that is what he used for lubricating all his chains on farm equipment. Said it lasted nearly a full season on chains. I had aimed to get a can myself but never noticed it for sale anywhere.

eureka fluid film's web site has a dealer locater on it. It should be able to tell you where the closest dealer is.

It is more of a protective film than a penetrating oil. People spray it on chains, snow plows, undercarriages, battery posts, etc. I read about it on a plow site initially.

HTH

 

[Zodiac45]

I won a case of Fluid Film awhile back, so that's my favorite right now. It's gonna last me a long time too.

How is that? It's not really penetraiting oil though is it? I thought it was more of a coating for rust protection, and or snow plow blades blower shutes, etc..I saw some on e-bay 3 cans for 28/free shipping and was gonna order it?:greenchainsaw:

 

[olyman]

ok.

no anti-sieze on the taper. i'll use a little bearing grease instead.

NOTHING on a taper fit--thats what makes it tight---

 

[cabinman]

what is it

penetrants, and preservitives/oilers, are two (different) subjects,.....Eric

 

[parrisw]

fluid film is amazing stuff, I got a can somewhere, it is not a penetrating oil, its a lubricant/protectant as others have said.

 

[Zodiac45]

fluid film is amazing stuff, I got a can somewhere, it is not a penetrating oil, its a lubricant/protectant as others have said.

Yep that's what I was told too. Gonna order a few cans for the snowblower and plow, etc....etc...I read that it's a lanolin based product. Baaaaaaa

 

[farmer]

Anybody see or remember STP penetrating oil? My uncle brought me a can from California in the 80's. It was the best stuff I ever used. I looked for it every time I went in a store with a good selection but never found it. I did discover PB Blaster while looking for STP though. I remember reading the can and thinking this sounds kind of hokey but I'll try it. I told all my friends about PB now they all use it. I think I will have to try Kroil though.

 

[Zodiac45]

Anybody see or remember STP penetrating oil? My uncle brought me a can from California in the 80's. It was the best stuff I ever used. I looked for it every time I went in a store with a good selection but never found it. I did discover PB Blaster while looking for STP though. I remember reading the can and thinking this sounds kind of hokey but I'll try it. I told all my friends about PB now they all use it. I think I will have to try Kroil though.

I remember it, but don't think it's made any longer? I'm a PB Blaster kinda guy for price and it works. Kroils great but pricey. The PBB sold me when I had to replace a blast pad in my oil furnace. It required the removal of the burner and the manifold it mounts on. Just 4 nuts on studs but I promise ya, they nearly always twist/snap off. This time, Blaster for 24 hours applied several times and viola!

 

[cabinman]

carquest

eureka fluid film's web site has a dealer locater on it. It should be able to tell you where the closest dealer is.

It is more of a protective film than a penetrating oil. People spray it on chains, snow plows, undercarriages, battery posts, etc. I read about it on a plow site initially.

HTH

I was at carquest today, and seting on the counter was a can of fluid film, I never wood have paid any attention, But remembered, hearing about it here on AS, Iam guessing they just started carrying it Iam going to give it a try, Eric

 

[parrisw]

I was at carquest today, and seting on the counter was a can of fluid film, I never wood have paid any attention, But remembered, hearing about it here on AS, Iam guessing they just started carrying it Iam going to give it a try, Eric

ha ha, ya, I was just at a trade show today after work, and there was a guy handing out free cans of Fluid Film, so I grabbed one. Good deal.:greenchainsaw: